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    a moonlighting question

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    Hi all

    I had this question about moonlighting. u can obviously do it when u are in residency program somewhere after u get ur MD. I am asking because I saw something in the Moonlighting forum and was a bit confused.

    Are 3rd and 4th year students allowed to moonlight (3rd year probably too busy), can they get paid for work otuside their rotation, even though they do not have an MD degree?

    I know I'm jumping the gun, but I was just curious
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    You have no license and are not even an MD so you can't moonlight. But I heard Wendy's is open late, everyday so you can moonlight there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by microphage
    You have no license and are not even an MD so you can't moonlight. But I heard Wendy's is open late, everyday so you can moonlight there.
    Okay thanks for clearing that up...now can i have some fries with that burger?

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    In North Carolina, after the 2nd year of medical school you could challenge the Paramedic exam. And after about 300 hours of clinical precepting for the state, then about another 300 hours precepting for a provider then you could moonlight as a paramedic.

    I think might could also challenge the NCLEX after your second year, but I doubt it.

    You could be a tech in some states.

    So, if in between the 40-60 hours per week you will be in school, plus the frequent trips for residency interviews, studying for rotations, studying for the boards round II (which are a little easier, they say-- What is it? Two weeks, two days, number 2 pencil...) if you have time in-between all of that, I say get a job as a barista at starbucks... at least you'll get free coffee since you would be up literally 22 hours a day.

    Really, I don't think you understand what an impractical thing trying to moonlight during the 4th year is... Maybe, unless you were already a nurse or a paramedic or tech or something at one of the clinical locations and pulled an *occasional* shift.

    Maybe I'm wrong....

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    aa

    Prostitution is legal on SXM, so technically you can moonlight your first 2 years too!

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    a moonlighting question

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAlchemist
    Hi all

    I had this question about moonlighting. u can obviously do it when u are in residency program somewhere after u get ur MD. I am asking because I saw something in the Moonlighting forum and was a bit confused.

    Are 3rd and 4th year students allowed to moonlight (3rd year probably too busy), can they get paid for work otuside their rotation, even though they do not have an MD degree?

    I know I'm jumping the gun, but I was just curious
    Thanks
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    I did it once as a 3rd year ( in england )
    helped out my surgeon one afternoon at the "private" hospital as the first ( and only ) assistant. I ran the lap camera wonderfully, since I am from the video game generation.

    anyway, I got paid like 400 pounds cash ( hush hush of course )

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    Alchemist,

    In the states, moonlighting is an extracurricular medical practice that refers to services that licensed residents/fellows perform which are outside the scope of an approved GME (Graduate Medical Education) program. At programs that approve moonlighting, residents/fellows are not required to moonlight, but are allowed to pursuant to their current employment agreement (often referred to as a House Officers Association agreement). Usually, malpractice insurance does not extend to extracurricular medical practice. Iíve learned from residents and the few hospital directors that I have spoken with that for a doctor to moonlight during residency, they must have done all of their clinical rotations at ACGME approved sites (Green Book). (For a List of ACGME Accredited Programs and Sponsoring Institutions go to http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/ ) I donít know this to be fact, as Iím only at the end of my third year of school and I havenít applied to any hospitals to moonlight, but this seems to be the common consensus. One thing that I do know for sure is that there are many different errant thoughts (especially by students) on what should, shouldnít, can, or canít be done, and the only way that you can know for sure is to speak with a hospital director / coordinator directly in specific residency programs that you might attend. Be very cautious in taking other students advice as truth. Keep in mind also that many residency programs do not allow you to moonlight because they feel, and probably rightly so, that too much of you time and focus will be spent at the other hospital. After all, if a program hires you on as a resident, they want you in their hospital producing, and if you are not working, they want you studying. I personally feel that the better their residents do on Step 3, the better shot they have at fellowships, and the more competitive that their program becomes. One of the main criteria that I am looking for in a residency program is how many of their residents get fellowships. Iím very interested in moonlighting as I hear from a few resident docs that are doing it that there is a lot of money to be made there, but my main concern remains getting into a program that has a high fellowship placement rate. Also, Iím not sure, but for some reason I want to say that the laws on moonlighting vary by state. Please donít quote me on that but I just feel that I have heard that in a few states it is illegal.

    Iím pretty sure that Iíve gotten slightly away from you question, Sorry about that. Third and fourth year students cannot moonlight. To moonlight, one must be licensed and the only way to be licensed is to have graduated. As far as working somewhere during school, you could although I donít recommend it. My thought is that you should put any extra time you have into nailing Steps 1 & 2. Those two tests are probably the single most important part of your med school education in terms of landing you a good residency. I hope this helps and best of luck in school,



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    Quote Originally Posted by microphage
    You have no license and are not even an MD so you can't moonlight. But I heard Wendy's is open late, everyday so you can moonlight there.
    Do you work for Wendy's?

    No, not officially.
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    Alchemist,

    I forgot to mention in my previous post, you must have all three Steps of the USMLE completed to become licensed and therefore moonlight.

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    moonlighting

    in order to moonlight, you need a "full" license. normally, residenst start with a training , or limited license. then, depending on the state, you either have to pass step 3 and be a resident for about 2 years, or you have to finsih an approved residency to get a full license. most states require FMGs to graduate from a residency program to get a full license. my program has a sweet deal with a long term acute care dept, where we can work 12 hour shifts during non-call months for $600 a shift. unfortunately, as a ross grad, I am the ONLY one who cant take advantage of this perk. in my interviewing times, I noticed that it seemed like almost all states (well, all the more then a dozen i interviewed in) only allow US grads to get a full license prior to finishing their resiedncy.

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