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    Things that increase my chances for surgery (American Student studying outside USA)

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    Hey all....

    I am an international medical student studying outside USA in my 4th year ( in a 6-year program); which is my first clinical year of 3.I am also an American...
    I have a one-month vacation next summer where i will be going back home to USA.... and i was wondering how could i use this month to increase my chances of getting a surgery residency in USA?? Any ideas??

    I read about different programs (Observership/Research experience/Visitng medical student..... etc....) and honestly got mixed up on all of theses and now i donno wat can help a student in my status!! what do you advise??

    Any advices?

    I have been thinking about observership but most hospitals require passing step I USMLE which i have not applied for yet....

    I am kinda lost ... please help !

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    You will not be able to complete any official observerships or rotations in the States until you have completed Step One (or, alternatively in some cases, Step Two CK -- if you were to choose to write that one first for some reason). It's illegal.

    If you're going to be home for a month, you might ask a surgeon (or other physician) whether you can help with a research project. Publication will definitely help your chances in the match later, and if the doc is at a program with a residency then you might make some in-roads that way.

    An unofficial tag-along with a doc may also be possible, if you know someone, but it will be unofficial and not part of the academic record. Still, if you can make a good impression that won't hurt... but it won't count as an observership or a rotation.

    Most importantly, though, DO NOT wait too long to write your USMLE Steps! If you wait until your final year of a 6 year program, you are a couple of years separated from the basic sciences, and Step One preparation will be a huge pain in the glutes. Taking Step One after 3rd or during 4th year is far preferable to having to cover everything again later.
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    Thanks for your reply but...

    OK and how would i be able to find a doctor with a research program going on ?

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    Google and E-mail are your best friends, especially from overseas. Take some initiative, find the programs near your location, and contact them directly. These things aren't going to drop into your lap without busting your butt a little bit.

    Also, if it is your home town, do you know any doctors? Ask around.

    Where are you studying?
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    Re:

    Currently in Jordan But i live in Brooklyn , NY

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    Holy crap... yeah, there might be one or two research programs going on in the NYC area.

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    Also, don't forget that the biggest thing that will increase your chances for matching into surgery is to kick absolute tail on Step One and Step Two CK. Don't overlook this. You can watch all the surgeries you want in the USA, and publish as well, but if you apply for the match in GS with multiple failures and/or low Step scores, you're screwed.

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    i am so dumb in that stuff... i do not do how to search or what to do lol

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    can you give me your email please so we can talk more on that?

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    General Surgery will require a pantload of initiative and hard work. Might as well get started now.

    Nobody is going to hand you anything, especially in GS, and it is a brutal residency. Good luck.

    Feel free to PM me, but my responses will be remarkably similar to what I've posted here.

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