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    Can Lodz students practise medicine in the US/Canada?

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    Hi,

    I wanted to know if graduates (6 or 4 year MD and DMD) could practise medicine in the US or Canada? The reason I'm asking is because on California's board of recognized medical schools several Polish universities are listed along with their English division (example: "Medical Academy of Warsaw" and "Medical University of Warsaw (includes English Program)") but Lodz is not (it's English division).

    If you can please let me know why Lodz's English program isn't listed, does this mean students can't practise medicine in the US? And if they can practise then why would the list explicitly mention the English division of other universities?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by incognitofox View Post
    Hi,

    I wanted to know if graduates (6 or 4 year MD and DMD) could practise medicine in the US or Canada? The reason I'm asking is because on California's board of recognized medical schools several Polish universities are listed along with their English division (example: "Medical Academy of Warsaw" and "Medical University of Warsaw (includes English Program)") but Lodz is not (it's English division).

    If you can please let me know why Lodz's English program isn't listed, does this mean students can't practise medicine in the US? And if they can practise then why would the list explicitly mention the English division of other universities?

    Thanks!
    It means you can't apply for Residency in California and it's affiliated states (there's 6-7 of them) if you graduate from the Lodz English program. As far as i know, you're free to apply to the other states. California has the most stringent regulations and it's approval takes the longest time, so many foreign schools with English programs don't bother going through the process.
    Are you a Canadian citizen? If not, you can't apply for residency in Canada coming from ANY foreign schools. This is a strict rule enforced by CARMS.
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    Hi,

    Thanks for your input. On it's website it mentions for students to attain a physician's or surgeon's license the school must be listed. If they aren't listing Lodz's medical program does that mean it's graduate students would not be able to get a license in Cali (just want to clarify). Also I was under the impression that most states mimicked California's list of recognized schools. What states have graduates from this uni done their residencies in? And yes, I am a Canadian citizen. Are you Canadian and studying in Lodz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by incognitofox View Post
    Hi,

    Thanks for your input. On it's website it mentions for students to attain a physician's or surgeon's license the school must be listed. If they aren't listing Lodz's medical program does that mean it's graduate students would not be able to get a license in Cali (just want to clarify). Also I was under the impression that most states mimicked California's list of recognized schools. What states have graduates from this uni done their residencies in? And yes, I am a Canadian citizen. Are you Canadian and studying in Lodz?
    I'm a Canadian who'll be applying to Polish schools this cycle along with US schools
    As of 2014, these states mimick the California board: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Idaho, Indiana, New Mexico, Oregon, Tennessee and Vermont. I'm not sure if there has been any additions made to that list this year. Most states DON'T follow the Cali list. But it's generally recommended to go to a Cali approved school in case more states start following the Cali rule in the future.

    I doubt Lodz uploads a residency placement list etc. I did see a Canadian success story somewhere on their site.

    About the licensing part, i *think* (please double check with a better source) you can get licensed in Cali and it's affiliated states given that you do your residency elsewhere first. It's the actual "applying for residency" part that's affected by your school not being on the list.

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    But it's generally recommended to go to a Cali approved school in case more states start following the Cali rule in the future.

    Also, it could be considered counter-productive to automatically rule out the significant number of residency positions available in California (and the states that follow the CMB list). Do people match out of non-CMB-approved schools? Of course they do. But just looking at the numbers, the more options you have, the better your chances of matching.

    I doubt Lodz uploads a residency placement list etc. I did see a Canadian success story somewhere on their site.

    Marketing and organization are definitely not East Bloc strong points. I know that Jag has (or, at least, had) a list of residents and practicing grads on their website, which definitely stood out when compared to other Bloc schools. Warsaw might, as well, I'm not sure.

    About the licensing part, i *think* (please double check with a better source) you can get licensed in Cali and it's affiliated states given that you do your residency elsewhere first. It's the actual "applying for residency" part that's affected by your school not being on the list.

    It is a relatively new rule in California as of a couple years back. Physicians who graduated from non-CMB-approved medical schools, but then completed residency in another state, and have subsequently practiced in another state for 10 years, can apply for practice rights in California. Definitely a long freaking row to hoe, but if someone is super-duper hung up on eventually working in California in their mid-career, then Bob's your super-old-and-grey-haired-uncle.
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    Hey there,

    Just to put in my 2 cents. As a MUL student who knows..a handful of Canadians at MUL, only a couple went on to work in Canada, none that I known of went to the US. Most Canadian drift to UK/Ireland because it is easier to get into.
    The Canadians that did get some job in Canada were those with connections. Not to sound negative but it's almost a requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medstudious View Post
    Hey there,

    Just to put in my 2 cents. As a MUL student who knows..a handful of Canadians at MUL, only a couple went on to work in Canada, none that I known of went to the US. Most Canadian drift to UK/Ireland because it is easier to get into.
    The Canadians that did get some job in Canada were those with connections. Not to sound negative but it's almost a requirement.
    Yeah, numbers-wise the Canadian scene for IMGs getting into residency is actually even worse than the US. One of my former classmates has both US and Canadian citizenship and did not even bother to apply for the Canadian scene, despite good Step scores and a Canadian passport. She matched in the US and finished residency -- and has remained in the US to practice.
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