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    doctor zv is offline Newbie 510 points
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    4 year vs 6 year

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    Hello iam a student with a degree in biology degree i was interested in applying for medicine in poland , but looking at 4 year med program it seems to overwhelming and i already had pretty rought times taking taking another major , any idea if 6 year program would be easier as far as having time for myself or on the long run its all the same , keeping in mind i know Medicine needs dedication and sacrifice .
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    A 6 year degree is common in countries outside the US, because those education systems are different. In Poland for example, it is 6 years because it incorporate s college classes with medical classes and most of these students are 18 years old after graduating high school.

    The us medical board will not care how many years the degree is but rather in your scores on the board and other competitive factors when applying for residency.

    There is no reason a US grad with bio needs to take a 6yr degree.

    Not sure y it would be "overwhelming ", when plenty of us students studying in Europe, Caribbean and other countries who have similar degree background as yourself have come back and are physicians in the us.

    I'm being straight, otherwise I could give a rosy picture like some writes in these Lodz forums. I experienced it myself.

    What matters is the quality of education the school provides along with number of us students doing residency and board performance. There's a lot more but u get the idea.


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    Hello iam a student with a degree in biology degree i was interested in applying for medicine in poland , but looking at 4 year med program it seems to overwhelming and i already had pretty rought times taking taking another major , any idea if 6 year program would be easier as far as having time for myself or on the long run its all the same , keeping in mind i know Medicine needs dedication and sacrifice .
    Thank you

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    Hi,
    There has been a small handful of students who have received admission into the 4-year program without having all of the required undergrad science credits, usually Physics. If you plead your situation, you may be accepted into the 4-MD program with the condition that you enroll in accredited online classes, the grades from which you will be able to submit at any time prior to being cleared to graduate.

    One person in my class was in this situation and it worked out for him without any problems. Of course he had to take on the extra course load of an online class on top of his regular medical curriculum.
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    hcg1234 is offline Junior Member 515 points
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    Mr Canadian., please advise everyone on the current situation of US federal student loans, number of successful US residents from Lodz and the condition of US clinical rotations via MUL.

    That info is more critical.

    Quote Originally Posted by canadian_jerzyk View Post
    Hi,
    There has been a small handful of students who have received admission into the 4-year program without having all of the required undergrad science credits, usually Physics. If you plead your situation, you may be accepted into the 4-MD program with the condition that you enroll in accredited online classes, the grades from which you will be able to submit at any time prior to being cleared to graduate.

    One person in my class was in this situation and it worked out for him without any problems. Of course he had to take on the extra course load of an online class on top of his regular medical curriculum.

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    hcg1234,
    The situation hasn't changed from what me and other people from MUL had written in other posts in the past. Forgive me but, being from Canada, I have no experience in dealing with US federal loans.

    As for doing your clinical rotations in the US, the school would only allow you to do your 4th year elective rotations outside of Lodz, that is, 4 weeks each of Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and Surgery. As per the school's rules, you could only do a maximum of 3 months' of class work outside of the school's own hospitals to receive credit. However, to the best of my knowledge, some US states require that no more than 1 month of class work is done outside of your school's hospitals in order to qualify to be matched in those states, but I'm not sure which states.
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    Thank you for the update.
    Do you know how many students have successfully obtained residency in Canada or the US?

    I heard last that the school was not eligible for US federal loans.

    Clinical rotations in the us are essential for learning/board preparation and to get recommend letters when competing for residency.

    You're right. There are restrictions for the number of weeks one can co outside of the home school country depending on the state you are trying to get licensed. That's up to people to do their due diligence.



    Quote Originally Posted by canadian_jerzyk View Post
    hcg1234,
    The situation hasn't changed from what me and other people from MUL had written in other posts in the past. Forgive me but, being from Canada, I have no experience in dealing with US federal loans.

    As for doing your clinical rotations in the US, the school would only allow you to do your 4th year elective rotations outside of Lodz, that is, 4 weeks each of Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and Surgery. As per the school's rules, you could only do a maximum of 3 months' of class work outside of the school's own hospitals to receive credit. However, to the best of my knowledge, some US states require that no more than 1 month of class work is done outside of your school's hospitals in order to qualify to be matched in those states, but I'm not sure which states.

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    canadian_jerzyk is offline Junior Member 513 points
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    The school isn't eligible for US federal loans right now but the Dean's Office keeps saying that it's their #1 priority. How exactly they are going about it, I have no idea.

    To the best of my knowledge, everyone who applied for the Canadian or American Match did get a position. However, very few people actually apply for the match because those from other European countries tend to go back and practice there. Of those who did match, most actually did all of their clinical rotations here. As far as board preparation is concerned, it's not where you sit down and study, it's how disciplined you are.
    Last edited by canadian_jerzyk; 06-01-2014 at 03:03 AM.
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    hcg1234 is offline Junior Member 515 points
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    How many is this "everyone?" do you have any sort of numbers from for example the last year's class or prior that gradauted and obtained a residency in the US or Canada brokendown by each country?

    As far board preparation is concerned, I diagree on that last statement. It matters where you study (i.e. the quality of education provided by the school) and clinical rotations that are taught by competent and knowledgeable staff who can properly convey medical knowledge to their students.

    Everyone is disciplined to become doctors but you cannot be taught medicine by memorizing data (Books or powerpoints) without the "teaching" part of medicine, which is severly lacking in Lodz medical classes.

    You cannot memorize medicine especially when prepping for the US board exams are based on an analytical approach. This approach has not been done by MUL and its teaching staff.

    They throw presentations on the screen and most students are not taught the analytical approach to medicine. That's been the experience.

    Which reflects into the issue that there have not been "many" number of MUL graduates become physicians; which may also be the reason for US Federal laons not being eligible as it is also part of their application process to get federal approvals.

    i could be wrong but that's been my observation.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong inany of this, especially the "teaching" part by MUL.

    Quote Originally Posted by canadian_jerzyk View Post
    The school isn't eligible for US federal loans right now but the Dean's Office keeps saying that it's their #1 priority. How exactly they are going about it, I have no idea.

    To the best of my knowledge, everyone who applied for the Canadian or American Match did get a position. However, very few people actually apply for the match because those from other European countries tend to go back and practice there. Of those who did match, most actually did all of their clinical rotations here. As far as board preparation is concerned, it's not where you sit down and study, it's how disciplined you are.

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    If you know so much about MUL then why do you keep asking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by canadian_jerzyk View Post
    To the best of my knowledge, everyone who applied for the Canadian or American Match did get a position. However, very few people actually apply for the match because those from other European countries tend to go back and practice there. Of those who did match, most actually did all of their clinical rotations here. As far as board preparation is concerned, it's not where you sit down and study, it's how disciplined you are.
    This is very untrue canadian_jerzyk. Many students and graduates attempt the USMLE or the CBS before it nearly 5-6 times, and cannot pass, and I only know individuals who did rotations in the US who had a direct connection, and I believe the same goes for the Canadian students. I haven't heard of any graduates for MUL matching in any US residency.

    Additionally, we must desist this myth of how " discipline" will take you to the moon and back. This is simply not true. When a university has zero assessment methods, your discipline could derail you, as it has many people in the past. You can study day and night for the US exams, but without a clear understanding for the facts and how to approach the methods, you will cause yourself 10x the work with half the rewards.

    **Still no news of any loan acceptance OR California recognition. The guy who was one of the people in charge of California recognition application quit.
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