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    Creena is offline Newbie 510 points
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    Overseas clinical rotations at MUL - very confused

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    Hi All,

    I got accepted to 4 year program at MUL starting this October and trying to find some information about the overseas (US and UK) clinical rotations that MUL have on offer.

    I contacted MUL a number of times and to date I only received a response that there are no overseas rotations currently available, apart from 12 week electives during last year that students can organise on their own, based on dean's approval. However, the MUL website says completely different thing. It says there are rotations at few hospitals in the US and Epsom hospital in the UK. I have seen that being confirmed by many students on this forum. I also contacted a clinical coordinator at Epsom Hospital in the UK, who confirmed that the rotations are still taking place, though the contract is being currently updated. So what is the real story at MUL? Has someone managed to clarify this with MUL? I feel like they are not saying the whole thing as I wrote a dozen of email with most remaining unanswered or answers being vague or ambiguous.

    I need to add I am a non-AIM student, hence perhaps thats what the whole thing is about. Perhaps the o/s rotations are offered only for AIM students at MUL...

    Please share any information you have.
    Many thanks.
    Cheers!

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    I would be very interested to hear a response to this also.

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    Hey, No im not an AIM student, i am from UK. They kept confusing me too. I talked to a person that is responsible for clinical years, and she told me that they do not do clinical rotations abroad, except elective years.Hope that helps.If you wannt to do clinical rotations abroad, i thnk only carribean universitites do that.Hope that helps. Pm me if you want more details.

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    Hey, thanks for replying DrKA. Unfortunately, I cannot sent PMs as yet as only joined today. I had some further correspondence with MUL today and yes indeed there are no clinical rotations abroad for non-AIM students, expect for 3 months electives on the 4th year. MUL only said that there is no o/s rotations, however I got further info from a very helpful person at Epsom hospital in the UK who confirmed that only AIM students at MUL get the possibility of o/s rotations. What is your situation? Have you applied/decided to start at MUL? I am also from the UK, but having Polish citizenship. Cheers!

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    Hey, I have sent in my application, I am waiting. I also applied to poznan and i am waiting for them to reply me. AIM students pay a lot of money, so thats why they can do clinical rotation where ever they want. Did you apply to any other universitites.

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    You're right on - we AIM students do pay more for o/s clinicals, but where would you rather do your clinicals, in a really nice UK or US hospital where all the patients speak English, or in Poland where everything has to be translated for you. Besides - we pay less than the kids who go through Hope Medical at Lublin and have better US rotations. I came to lodz for their o/s rotations and have been very happy with them - the UK is a great place to learn and the hospital just built beautiful new ensuite rooms for all students, along with a computer room just for the students. Just passed Step 1 and am taking Step 2 in another month - I'm on my way. All I know is that if Lodz only lets you do 3 rotations in the states, then I'd look for another Polish school that would let you do UK and US rotations. Why don't you just ask them why you can't do o/s rotations. Just my 2 cents.

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    What is an AIM student?

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    Hi DrKA,

    In Poland I applied only to Lodz. The reason is that I am a Polish citizen and you won't believe it but only MUL (out of all other Polish schools offering 4 year MD program in English) allows Polish citizens to enrol on it. Besides, I also liked the idea of spending 2 clinical years in the UK or in the US, however now I know this benefit is only for AIM students.

    Knowing Polish education system quite well (I am a law graduate from Warsaw University) I would say that any 4 year MD program you choose in Poland, whether Jag, Poznan, Warsaw or Lodz, it will be quite similar in terms of teaching. All are very good Universities. The only thing can differ is the additional benefits like e.g. the availability of o/s clinical rotations, etc. I think that Jag for instance, offers a couple of months in the US in Cali during your final year. It is also the only Polish program which is recognised in Cali. Not sure though whether you need to arrange these rotations on your own or it is a part of the program. In Lodz I know for a fact you need to arrange it on your own and the process is subject to Dean's approval. I do not know anything about Poznan and Warsaw offer in that respect.

    As far the UK is concerned (where I currently reside) I applied to a few GEPs , i.e. Cambridge (no entry exam needed), St Georges in London and Swansea in Wales. Unfortunately I missed on Georges cut-off as I got 56 on GAMSAT and as of last year they raised the cut-off from 56 to 60. Cam and Swansea dropped out as well as I was in the process of doing necessary science A-levels while applying (they like you to have at least AS when applying). I learnt through the past year experience that even if I get good A-level results, I might not be able to improve my GAMSAT score sufficiently for UK or Irish entry and therefore decided to try in Poland. I am 30 years old this year and cannot keep trying for another couple of years.

    That's the whole story.

    Do you have any favourites among the Polish schools? Also, have you got a chance to check whether the 4 year program is recognised in the UK? I believe so as we are in the EU, but have not explore that issue yet. I know for sure the 6 year program is as it is mentioned on the GMC website.

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    Hi Rolf59,

    Thanks for replying. I am non-AIM applicant and when I asked MUL about the o/s rotations they said there was none. However, their website is saying completely different things. What they did not want to tell me is that there is a differentiation in treatment between AIM and non AIM students as far as the o/s rotations are concerned. In fact the lady wrote to me that she is not obliged to inform me (an ineligible student - as she called) about an offer for eligible students! It was not a very professional response overall, they got pretty defensive, as I found out about it indirectly from Epsom hospital in the UK where AIM students may opt to have their rotations.

    So as you see, I have ASKED them a number of times, and finally now I know the whole story behind.

    I agree with you that it is beneficial for non-Polish speaker to have the rotations in the hospital where you can communicate freely with patient with no need of interpreter. For me the language issue is not a problem as I am a Polish citizen. The reason I want the o/s rotations is my family situation - my husband is in the UK and cant leave his job so living apart for 2 years rather than 4 it is clearly a better compromise. If I did not have that problem, doing rotations in Poland would be perfectly fine with me. I have experience from working at UK hospital and it is not all perfect either. The US is probably different story. Everyone, even the consultants I know here in the UK, want to spend at least few months and have an experience from US hospitals....but they cannot go as they would have to do USMLE hehe

    Anyway, how was your experience in Lodz? How is the teaching? Is it really true that if you are an AIM student, you can in fact spent total of 2 clinical years in the US or the UK? How is Lodz in terms of preparing for USMLE? Did you take Kaplan course in London?

    Any info would be very helpful. Thanks
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    Creena is offline Newbie 510 points
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    Hi 2BNMD,

    AIM student is a person, US or Canadian citizen/permanent resident, that applied to Lodz via Alliance Institute of Medicine. As such you pay more, but you are allowed to do your clinical rotations overseas (UK and US). As non-AIM student you can only do 3 months of electives (during your 4th year) abroad. You also need to arrange these on your own.

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