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  1. 06-19-2020, 11:09 AM #1
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    Do MUA students have to take CCSE before taking STEP2?

    Is it true that MUA students have to take a school-administered exam called the Comprehensive Clinical Science Exam (CCSE) BEFORE being allowed to take STEP2?

    This just seems like another way for the school to weed the students out. Can anyone confirm this?
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  2. 06-28-2020, 02:59 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightningstrike View Post
    https://studentaid.gov/sites/default...y-americas.pdf

    All foreign schools that receive US government FAFSA loans, MUST report their statistics of US citizens/permanent residents.

    Per the above document 47% of MUA students graduated within 4 years in 2017. (Keep in mind MUA has a fair number of Canadians as well who aren't part of these stats)

    Not surprising at all. From my understanding its only gotten worse since 2017 with the addition of the RLRA, CCSE and more roadblocks.

    The school is only weeding out people who likely would have been unsuccessful anyways.
    RLRA is the research paper right? On the school's website, the dude talking about it is saying it makes their students better than everyone else. Odd that they are using it as a weed out requirement. Seems shady to me.

    CCSE is a killer. I have a buddy at AUA which I think is a better school than MUA and he's got straight A's in basic sciences and is about to attempt CCSE for the third time. Very scary.

    Yeah, 47% is still leaving out a lot of people including those who didn't take loans. I estimate the # to be more like 25-30% overall.

    Any other advice on MUA that you think we should know about?
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  3. 06-30-2020, 06:24 PM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by hopefulmed95 View Post
    RLRA is the research paper right? On the school's website, the dude talking about it is saying it makes their students better than everyone else. Odd that they are using it as a weed out requirement. Seems shady to me.

    CCSE is a killer. I have a buddy at AUA which I think is a better school than MUA and he's got straight A's in basic sciences and is about to attempt CCSE for the third time. Very scary.

    Yeah, 47% is still leaving out a lot of people including those who didn't take loans. I estimate the # to be more like 25-30% overall.

    Any other advice on MUA that you think we should know about?
    No it does not leave out any one who didn't take loans.

    If you are a US citizen/permanent resident you are part of the 47%. Its a reporting requirement even if the individuals didn't take loans. Only Canadian/foreign citizens are excluded.

    RLRA doesn't really weed anyone out, it just prevents people from starting clinicals in a timely manner leading to graduation delays.

    If he's failing the CCSE. He would fail CK.

    People hate hearing it, but caribbean school exams e.g. AUA's are not the same quality as the USMLE. So individuals like him who got A's, didn't really deserve them.

    They would not have survived at a US med school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightningstrike View Post
    No it does not leave out any one who didn't take loans.

    If you are a US citizen/permanent resident you are part of the 47%. Its a reporting requirement even if the individuals didn't take loans. Only Canadian/foreign citizens are excluded.

    RLRA doesn't really weed anyone out, it just prevents people from starting clinicals in a timely manner leading to graduation delays.

    If he's failing the CCSE. He would fail CK.

    People hate hearing it, but caribbean school exams e.g. AUA's are not the same quality as the USMLE. So individuals like him who got A's, didn't really deserve them.

    They would not have survived at a US med school.
    Would you say MUA is one of those schools that you are talking about when you say the Caribbean school exams don't mimic the USMLE?
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