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    Any current MUA 5th term students here? Can you talk about the comp shelf pass rate?

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    If there are any CURRENT MUA students on this forum can you tell me anything about the comp shelf pass rate for your class? Specifically, I want to know the following things...

    1. How many people began the first term in your class.
    2. How many people made it to the fifth term.
    3. How many people do you know out of those people that made it to the fifth term passed the comprehensive shelf exam the FIRST time?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    If there are any CURRENT MUA students on this forum can you tell me anything about the comp shelf pass rate for your class? Specifically, I want to know the following things...

    1. How many people began the first term in your class.
    2. How many people made it to the fifth term.
    3. How many people do you know out of those people that made it to the fifth term passed the comprehensive shelf exam the FIRST time?

    Thanks!
    I wonder why nobody has responded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    I wonder why nobody has responded?


    The attrition rate is about fifty per cent, much higher than St George's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    If there are any CURRENT MUA students on this forum can you tell me anything about the comp shelf pass rate for your class? Specifically, I want to know the following things...

    1. How many people began the first term in your class.
    2. How many people made it to the fifth term.
    3. How many people do you know out of those people that made it to the fifth term passed the comprehensive shelf exam the FIRST time?

    Thanks!

    I finished my 5th semester in aug 17.

    1. about 60 people started with us in jan 16 (small class size due to winter start date), out of 60 about 10 of them were from MUA pre med program
    2. about 20 made it to the 5th semester (by this i mean without failing any classes and having to repeat a semester or just straight up dropping out). Half (10) of these 20 did premed at mua (basically a preview of med 1/2)
    3. From my knowledge only 8 of these 20 passed the first time.

    I was in the top 10 of my class throughout med 1-5 (no way to officially know since they don't tell you rankings but just from my estimates). I failed the first time with a 67, MUA make you pass with 68. I was shocked and devastated. Took it a second time failed again....finally passed my 3rd try (thank god or i would have been forced to move back to the island). They only offer the exam on the island and once every 4 months. Also when i was in the testing center they have a sheet to sign in and there was 140 names and from the passing email they sent out (which also had everybody's name who passed C.C.) only 30ish people passed which makes the passing rate horrible. A lot of people believed they are cooking the numbers since they take almost 4 days to email the results. First time i took the exam in my row of 15-20 people only 2 people were taking the exam for the first time. Hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaSpursfan View Post
    I finished my 5th semester in aug 17.

    1. about 60 people started with us in jan 16 (small class size due to winter start date), out of 60 about 10 of them were from MUA pre med program
    2. about 20 made it to the 5th semester (by this i mean without failing any classes and having to repeat a semester or just straight up dropping out). Half (10) of these 20 did premed at mua (basically a preview of med 1/2)
    3. From my knowledge only 8 of these 20 passed the first time.

    I was in the top 10 of my class throughout med 1-5 (no way to officially know since they don't tell you rankings but just from my estimates). I failed the first time with a 67, MUA make you pass with 68. I was shocked and devastated. Took it a second time failed again....finally passed my 3rd try (thank god or i would have been forced to move back to the island). They only offer the exam on the island and once every 4 months. Also when i was in the testing center they have a sheet to sign in and there was 140 names and from the passing email they sent out (which also had everybody's name who passed C.C.) only 30ish people passed which makes the passing rate horrible. A lot of people believed they are cooking the numbers since they take almost 4 days to email the results. First time i took the exam in my row of 15-20 people only 2 people were taking the exam for the first time. Hope this helps
    Hi SaSpursfan,

    Thanks for that info. I found a couple of things interesting with your post. Since you were in the top 10 of your class, what do you think was the reason for not passing the comp shelf on the first two attempts? Do you think the school did not prepare you for the test? I also find it strange that you got a 67. How convenient that it is only 1 point away from their passing score. Do you know of anybody who missed the pass by just a point? I would find that suspicious and not a coincidence. A 20% pass rate for that exam is very scary. Isn't "cooking the numbers" illegal?

    Any thoughts on MUA that you are willing to share? My dilemma is that MUA is the cheapest title IV route but I found out you guys have a comp shelf and you also have a shelf for step 2 and I don't know how I feel about that because I've heard all types of stories of people who get tripped up with those exams. Did you like MUA? Would you recommend it to a new student? Any thoughts on SGU vs. MUA if you are familiar with SGU?

    Congrats on passing though. I'm sure you must be very relieved.

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    That is very interesting. I'm surprised by your recent experience. I'm not sure this would mean that they are "cooking the numbers" because school stand to make more money by advancing students and having them pass step 1, therefore they can start paying tuition for their clinical and they can fill clinical spots. Basically the schools and students interests are mutually aligned.

    anyhow, congrats on passing. anything you would have done differently to pass the first time? a different way of studying, different material? also, why do you think so many students are doing poorly from your experience?



    Quote Originally Posted by SaSpursfan View Post
    I finished my 5th semester in aug 17.

    1. about 60 people started with us in jan 16 (small class size due to winter start date), out of 60 about 10 of them were from MUA pre med program
    2. about 20 made it to the 5th semester (by this i mean without failing any classes and having to repeat a semester or just straight up dropping out). Half (10) of these 20 did premed at mua (basically a preview of med 1/2)
    3. From my knowledge only 8 of these 20 passed the first time.

    I was in the top 10 of my class throughout med 1-5 (no way to officially know since they don't tell you rankings but just from my estimates). I failed the first time with a 67, MUA make you pass with 68. I was shocked and devastated. Took it a second time failed again....finally passed my 3rd try (thank god or i would have been forced to move back to the island). They only offer the exam on the island and once every 4 months. Also when i was in the testing center they have a sheet to sign in and there was 140 names and from the passing email they sent out (which also had everybody's name who passed C.C.) only 30ish people passed which makes the passing rate horrible. A lot of people believed they are cooking the numbers since they take almost 4 days to email the results. First time i took the exam in my row of 15-20 people only 2 people were taking the exam for the first time. Hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    Hi SaSpursfan,

    Thanks for that info. I found a couple of things interesting with your post. Since you were in the top 10 of your class, what do you think was the reason for not passing the comp shelf on the first two attempts? Do you think the school did not prepare you for the test? I also find it strange that you got a 67. How convenient that it is only 1 point away from their passing score. Do you know of anybody who missed the pass by just a point? I would find that suspicious and not a coincidence. A 20% pass rate for that exam is very scary. Isn't "cooking the numbers" illegal?

    Any thoughts on MUA that you are willing to share? My dilemma is that MUA is the cheapest title IV route but I found out you guys have a comp shelf and you also have a shelf for step 2 and I don't know how I feel about that because I've heard all types of stories of people who get tripped up with those exams. Did you like MUA? Would you recommend it to a new student? Any thoughts on SGU vs. MUA if you are familiar with SGU?

    Congrats on passing though. I'm sure you must be very relieved.


    Where to start

    For me I was only willing to go to the acreddited med schools (SGU,AUC,Ross) and I guess now (MUA since they now have California accreditation, I believe only 4-5 Caribbean schools have this. Also these schools have IV title funding). I was set on going to AUC but then and all the other schools wait listed me except MUA so after contemplation I went to Mua bc for me I didnít want to move to Miami for 4 months and pay out of pocket for premed since I just had my wife move counties since we were newly wed. So if I could I would go to those other schools but MUA gave me direct acceptance and had full accrediditaon (now) and title IV funding.
    As far as do I recommend it. Well pretty much all Caribbean schools have major risk and draw back (I could write an entire book on it lol. Ultimately it is a for profit organization at the end of the day so this should make you understand what your walking into) but the way I thought about it is even if I only have 20% chance of being a doctor that is 20% more than sitting at home and giving up on my dreams.
    As far as comp I would say donít let that stop you because honestly if you canít pass comp then you will not get a good score in step and this wonít match. The only thing frustrating is that at some point when you look at the numbers you start to think are they cooking and if so that is when you feel like your going crazy bc it is not in your hands. I would say most people donít pass because they donít honestly prepare you enough at the schools but most of the learning needs to be on you anyways. The frustrating part is when they force attendance and they donít teach you and you have to put earplugs in and teach your self.
    What would I do differently. Well comp first go can be hard bc you have only like 2 weeks after your 3 shelfís which you pass in the first place to be elegible to write the comp. so the time crunctch makes it hard. What I did differently the third time is Anki flash cards that I made going through First Aid. Also I changed my mentality and tried to become more positive and improve my self in parts of my life.

    Sorry for the bad grammar I am typing this on my phone.

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    Where to start

    For me I was only willing to go to the acreddited med schools (SGU,AUC,Ross) and I guess now (MUA since they now have California accreditation, I believe only 4-5 Caribbean schools have this. Also these schools have IV title funding). I was set on going to AUC but then and all the other schools wait listed me except MUA so after contemplation I went to Mua bc for me I didnít want to move to Miami for 4 months and pay out of pocket for premed since I just had my wife move counties since we were newly wed. So if I could I would go to those other schools but MUA gave me direct acceptance and had full accrediditaon (now) and title IV funding.
    As far as do I recommend it. Well pretty much all Caribbean schools have major risk and draw back (I could write an entire book on it lol. Ultimately it is a for profit organization at the end of the day so this should make you understand what your walking into) but the way I thought about it is even if I only have 20% chance of being a doctor that is 20% more than sitting at home and giving up on my dreams.
    As far as comp I would say donít let that stop you because honestly if you canít pass comp then you will not get a good score in step and this wonít match. The only thing frustrating is that at some point when you look at the numbers you start to think are they cooking and if so that is when you feel like your going crazy bc it is not in your hands. I would say most people donít pass because they donít honestly prepare you enough at the schools but most of the learning needs to be on you anyways. The frustrating part is when they force attendance and they donít teach you and you have to put earplugs in and teach your self.
    What would I do differently. Well comp first go can be hard bc you have only like 2 weeks after your 3 shelfís which you pass in the first place to be elegible to write the comp. so the time crunctch makes it hard. What I did differently the third time is Anki flash cards that I made going through First Aid. Also I changed my mentality and tried to become more positive and improve my self in parts of my life.

    Sorry for the bad grammar I am typing this on my phone.

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    I agree with you about they have the motivation to pass you and generally the first 2 times I really tried to stay positive and not give in to the conspiracy theories. But at the end of the day when you see the sheer numbers it is hard to not think that after spending 12 months studying for comp exam and seeing how few make it through. ONLY thing that makes me think they have a reason to cook is because maybe they donít have enough rotations spots?? Idk at the end of the day I canít say they are cooking just bc I didnít pass by 1 point but Iím like on the fense if Iím being honest and I am one of the few people who really didnít believe all those conspiracy theoryís bc I thought hey those people who fail arenít working hard bc I am a hard working and I am always a top student in my class to the point where I am overly cocky about it. But when you go though 2 set backs like that it can be discouraging. But honestly if you can pass comp you wonít score well on step and wonít match so itís all relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by don1 View Post
    That is very interesting. I'm surprised by your recent experience. I'm not sure this would mean that they are "cooking the numbers" because school stand to make more money by advancing students and having them pass step 1, therefore they can start paying tuition for their clinical and they can fill clinical spots. Basically the schools and students interests are mutually aligned.

    anyhow, congrats on passing. anything you would have done differently to pass the first time? a different way of studying, different material? also, why do you think so many students are doing poorly from your experience?
    don1,

    I've explained this to you before and I will attempt to explain it to you again. The school NEEDS TO HAVE agreements with hospitals for third year spots. I think it is safe to say that if MUA takes in 100 students per term for three terms that they do not have 300 clinical spots open each year. You need to understand this. Promise me you will understand this. Having said that, if the money coming in equals the money going out, MUA can't make money. So how do they make money? They fail students out and then the few that make it out get those few third year spots that the school does have.

    I'm actually even more shocked at the number that SaSpursfan has given us. I was thinking maybe half of the class passes the comp shelf in one or two tries but 20% is problematic if that turns out to be true.

    So please stop saying that the schools stand to make more money by passing students when that is just not true because the for-profit model of Caribbean medical schools does not work like that.

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