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    Any current MUA 5th term students here? Can you talk about the comp shelf pass rate?

    If there are any CURRENT MUA students on this forum can you tell me anything about the comp shelf pass rate for your class? Specifically, I want to know the following things...

    1. How many people began the first term in your class.
    2. How many people made it to the fifth term.
    3. How many people do you know out of those people that made it to the fifth term passed the comprehensive shelf exam the FIRST time?

    Thanks!

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    Drjohn1990 you are a prospective student while I have actually completed medical school and residency. I think I know more about the process than you do.

    I do not require you to explain to me about how the clinical spots work at MUA. I do not trust your opinion on how the school makes money having no experience with medical education.

    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    don1,

    I've explained this to you before and I will attempt to explain it to you again. The school NEEDS TO HAVE agreements with hospitals for third year spots. I think it is safe to say that if MUA takes in 100 students per term for three terms that they do not have 300 clinical spots open each year. You need to understand this. Promise me you will understand this. Having said that, if the money coming in equals the money going out, MUA can't make money. So how do they make money? They fail students out and then the few that make it out get those few third year spots that the school does have.

    I'm actually even more shocked at the number that SaSpursfan has given us. I was thinking maybe half of the class passes the comp shelf in one or two tries but 20% is problematic if that turns out to be true.

    So please stop saying that the schools stand to make more money by passing students when that is just not true because the for-profit model of Caribbean medical schools does not work like that.
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    ultimately the schools are crooked and they lied to us however they have to pass a couple people into the Clinicalís so that it doesn't look so obvious and you just have to make yourself the top 20% of people and you will be able to pass. So thatís why you see people here complaining about the lies (those who failed) and there are those who say no the school is good (those who pass) and ultimately they are both right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by don1 View Post
    Drjohn1990 you are a prospective student while I have actually completed medical school and residency. I think I know more about the process than you do.

    I do not require you to explain to me about how the clinical spots work at MUA. I do not trust your opinion on how the school makes money having no experience with medical education.
    Put your money where your mouth is and PROVE IT. Until then, your opinions are hearsay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaSpursfan View Post
    ultimately the schools are crooked and they lied to us however they have to pass a couple people into the Clinical’s so that it doesn't look so obvious and you just have to make yourself the top 20% of people and you will be able to pass. So that’s why you see people here complaining about the lies (those who failed) and there are those who say no the school is good (those who pass) and ultimately they are both right.
    What did they lie about?

    But do you think it's kinda crazy that only a small minority of the students who enroll actually become doctors? My understanding is that if that happens stateside, all the accrediting bodies will put the school on probation or shut it down. I know all the Caribbean schools work this way including SGU but for the purpose of this thread, we are focusing on MUA.

    This don1 guy seems to think it's the students fault for not passing and you feel that they might be "cooking the books." Do you think that if all the students in your class studied crazy hard for the comp shelf, do you think it is even possible for everyone to pass? My argument, which aligns with what you have described, is that no matter how hard you study, the school already has a cap on how many can pass.

    What are your thoughts?

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    His I feel is what I said earlier. They make it where there is a cap and to fit into that cap you have to be a top 20% student. I did it and feel you can to if you set mind to it. I believe both parties are both right. The truth is inbetween

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaSpursfan View Post
    His I feel is what I said earlier. They make it where there is a cap and to fit into that cap you have to be a top 20% student. I did it and feel you can to if you set mind to it. I believe both parties are both right. The truth is inbetween

    What do people do who can't pass the comp shelf or don't make it to residency? Do they transfer to other schools or is that it for them?

    Have you thought about transferring to a better school for the clinicals?

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    Either give up, move back to the island after the 3rd try because they have to sit in the review course to be allowed a 4th try, or most transfer out to a lesser school.
    I passed so I am not thinking about that because to me that would look like a red flag on your application and no school that is better than Mua will allow you just transfer and pick up where you left off

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    Dr John,
    Request a phone interview with Dean Crumb. Students think he is warm and personable.
    Then tell us how it went....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaSpursfan View Post
    Either give up, move back to the island after the 3rd try because they have to sit in the review course to be allowed a 4th try, or most transfer out to a lesser school.
    I passed so I am not thinking about that because to me that would look like a red flag on your application and no school that is better than Mua will allow you just transfer and pick up where you left off
    Do you have any study advice?

    Specifically, what did you think was going to work when you started and what did you end up doing to pass.

    I still can't comprehend how you would be in lecture from 8-5. I think four hours max should be the upper limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    What did they lie about?

    But do you think it's kinda crazy that only a small minority of the students who enroll actually become doctors? My understanding is that if that happens stateside, all the accrediting bodies will put the school on probation or shut it down. I know all the Caribbean schools work this way including SGU but for the purpose of this thread, we are focusing on MUA.

    This don1 guy seems to think it's the students fault for not passing and you feel that they might be "cooking the books." Do you think that if all the students in your class studied crazy hard for the comp shelf, do you think it is even possible for everyone to pass? My argument, which aligns with what you have described, is that no matter how hard you study, the school already has a cap on how many can pass.

    What are your thoughts?
    Some people say you get two weeks to study. I started studying after fourth semester (while on my quick vacation), and then throughout the entire fifth semester. It is about what you do with your time. You can take practice tests (NBMEs) to see where you're at. Before I started studying I had a failing score and right before the comp I had a score far above passing. I easily passed comp as a result. I understand that not everyone can pass even if they study this hard, but I do think a LARGE amount of people don't put in the work that they need to in medical school in the Caribbean.

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