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    Can someone explain a few things about the MUA residency appointment list?

    I just saw MUA posted their 2018 residency appointment list (several weeks after some other schools) and I wanted to know a few things.

    1. Is there a way to find out how many students on the list matched on their first attempt?
    2. How many of those students completed the program in four years?
    3. I saw Johns Hopkins surgery for two years but is that a categorical or prelim position?
    4. How many of those "residency appointments" are a result of the NRMP match and how many are appointments outside of the match?


    The match/residency list is very important in making a decision to attend an offshore school but it also needs to provide a lot more information than just a bunch of locations which I believe only satisfy the most naive of people who are not familiar with for-profit education. In all fairness, all these Caribbean schools are like that. SGU is the only school that provides actual student names with each match which can be useful if you go to that school or know people from that school.

    I personally don't think the Caribbean is as bad a route as the Caribbean-haters or idiots on SDN would have you believe. I personally know more successful graduates than unsuccessful candidates so I am of the belief that you can succeed down the Caribbean route. Now which route you choose to take is quite another story and that is why I want to know if we can decipher the MUA residency appointment list in a little more detail. The IMG match as a whole seems to be improving or has at least remained somewhat steady for the past several years. I do believe however that matching is very involved and the prospective student just does not have enough information at their disposal to know what it really takes to match into a program from these schools. We're obviously never going to know what kind of scores these students have or what connections they have but the questions I listed above should help put a little more perspective on the list as it currently exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oranges12 View Post
    Actually I'd think a majority of doctors don't know that prelim surgery is the least competitive as most people don't even consider it as an option.



    I mean I personally just don't like my face or my info being plastered on the internet, as do a lot of others. The problems with the school are a long story, and maybe they have fixed some of those things (I finished over 2 years ago). But like said above, go to the big 3/4. MUA should be a last resort as it was for me.
    If you are willing to share, I and others would be interested to know as I think we should know what we are signing up for. SGU is my top choice but it's really expensive. If you can convince me NOT to apply to MUA, then SGU might really be my only choice at this time.

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    If SGU is too expensive, then you should look into SABA. MUA is the lower-tier sister school of SABA. Convincing you not to apply to MUA shouldn't leave SGU as your only choice, as you have SABA, AUC, and Ross as other viable options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oranges12 View Post
    If SGU is too expensive, then you should look into SABA. MUA is the lower-tier sister school of SABA. Convincing you not to apply to MUA shouldn't leave SGU as your only choice, as you have SABA, AUC, and Ross as other viable options.
    Saba follows MUA's curriculum so if MUA has some problems, Saba won't be too far behind with those problems as well. Ross is on a crappy island and their clinical locations are not as vast as SGU's and they make you take an NBME comp shelf which I hear a lot of people fail on their first attempt. Also, nobody knows when Ross will return to Dominica.

    AUC is kinda overrated.

    Care to share anything about MUA's problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    Saba follows MUA's curriculum so if MUA has some problems, Saba won't be too far behind with those problems as well. Ross is on a crappy island and their clinical locations are not as vast as SGU's and they make you take an NBME comp shelf which I hear a lot of people fail on their first attempt. Also, nobody knows when Ross will return to Dominica.

    AUC is kinda overrated.

    Care to share anything about MUA's problems?
    The problems aren't with the curriculum - I didn't have too much to complain about on the island. And they've updated the curriculum vastly since I left anyway so I can't comment on that now. The problem is the poor choice of clinical rotations and the administration 3-4 years ago didn't really feel supportive during that process. That may be different by now, I can't say for sure.

    Saba has a better range of clinical rotations to choose from and they are a more recognizable name to residency programs around the country.

    MUA is on a very crappy island.

    MUA requires not only an NBME comp shelf for Step 1, but they introduced one for Step 2 as well which is apparently very difficult.

    AUC may be overrated but still vastly better than MUA in terms of match results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oranges12 View Post
    The problems aren't with the curriculum - I didn't have too much to complain about on the island. And they've updated the curriculum vastly since I left anyway so I can't comment on that now. The problem is the poor choice of clinical rotations and the administration 3-4 years ago didn't really feel supportive during that process. That may be different by now, I can't say for sure.

    Saba has a better range of clinical rotations to choose from and they are a more recognizable name to residency programs around the country.

    MUA is on a very crappy island.

    MUA requires not only an NBME comp shelf for Step 1, but they introduced one for Step 2 as well which is apparently very difficult.

    AUC may be overrated but still vastly better than MUA in terms of match results.
    Whoa! That is crazy. You mean you have to take an MUA exam AFTER clearing STEP1 before you are even allowed to take STEP2? That is madness. MUA can easily place some arbitrary passing score for that exam to screw a whole bunch of students who passed STEP1. Thank you for letting me know about that. Also, what's this I hear about some research paper you have to write after basic sciences? Is this true?

    Is the island of Nevis really that bad? I don't know much about Nevis but I hear St. Kitts is a tourist spot so it should be more advanced. Is Nevis very different than life on St. Kitts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    Whoa! That is crazy. You mean you have to take an MUA exam AFTER clearing STEP1 before you are even allowed to take STEP2? That is madness. MUA can easily place some arbitrary passing score for that exam to screw a whole bunch of students who passed STEP1. Thank you for letting me know about that. Also, what's this I hear about some research paper you have to write after basic sciences? Is this true?

    Is the island of Nevis really that bad? I don't know much about Nevis but I hear St. Kitts is a tourist spot so it should be more advanced. Is Nevis very different than life on St. Kitts?
    Yeah there is a 'research' paper after basic sciences but it isn't a big deal. It's annoying but it doesn't act as too much of a roadblock (it used to, but they seem to have sped up the process).

    Nevis doesn't have much. There is nothing on the island other than beaches and a few decent restaurants. It's not much of a tourist spot either. It's very third world. St Kitts seems to have a lot more to do, though I only visited a few times so I can't comment too much. We would go there to get away sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oranges12 View Post
    Yeah there is a 'research' paper after basic sciences but it isn't a big deal. It's annoying but it doesn't act as too much of a roadblock (it used to, but they seem to have sped up the process).

    Nevis doesn't have much. There is nothing on the island other than beaches and a few decent restaurants. It's not much of a tourist spot either. It's very third world. St Kitts seems to have a lot more to do, though I only visited a few times so I can't comment too much. We would go there to get away sometimes.
    Do you think maybe a lot of the MUA grads that I have been looking for were lost somewhere between STEP1 and STEP2 lol? That would make sense based on some of these roadblocks you are describing.

    You've given me a lot to think about here. How well did MUA get you ready for STEP1? Was it an easy transition from basic sciences to studying for STEP1 or was the MUA program lacking in any way? There is a Google review that is saying MUA teaches five-year old concepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    Do you think maybe a lot of the MUA grads that I have been looking for were lost somewhere between STEP1 and STEP2 lol? That would make sense based on some of these roadblocks you are describing.

    You've given me a lot to think about here. How well did MUA get you ready for STEP1? Was it an easy transition from basic sciences to studying for STEP1 or was the MUA program lacking in any way? There is a Google review that is saying MUA teaches five-year old concepts.
    I mean a lot of people do get lost in there but you can't find them for the reasons I described earlier. These roadblocks are a pain and some people with even extremely strong Step 1 scores are being slowed down due to the new comp shelf instituted for Step 2. Hell, if I had to take that I may have been delayed another match year myself for all I know.

    I wouldn't say MUA prepared me very well. There are some courses which were taught very well when I was there, but the majority were fairly useless to me personally. However, I have attention issues and am just useless at learning from a lecture; some people felt they learned a lot just by listening. I started studying for Step 1 myself after fourth semester, and continued throughout fifth semester and beyond and that was what made me well-prepared for the test.

    What they're teaching these days I have no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oranges12 View Post
    I mean a lot of people do get lost in there but you can't find them for the reasons I described earlier. These roadblocks are a pain and some people with even extremely strong Step 1 scores are being slowed down due to the new comp shelf instituted for Step 2. Hell, if I had to take that I may have been delayed another match year myself for all I know.

    I wouldn't say MUA prepared me very well. There are some courses which were taught very well when I was there, but the majority were fairly useless to me personally. However, I have attention issues and am just useless at learning from a lecture; some people felt they learned a lot just by listening. I started studying for Step 1 myself after fourth semester, and continued throughout fifth semester and beyond and that was what made me well-prepared for the test.

    What they're teaching these days I have no idea.
    In your opinion, can someone from MUA still be successful with a STEP1 score of 220? What's the purpose of the STEP2 comp anyway? Does MUA not have faith in their third years?

    I was looking at MUA's website and I was calculating that they make you take 30-34 credits a term. SGU is 17-23. What am I missing here? Are you really in a classroom for 34 hours a week? That makes no sense at all. When would you study?

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    not offended. but to answer your question..no. I don't know how being a physician means you know how competitive a prelim surgery spots are.

    Quote Originally Posted by drjohn1990 View Post
    No offense man but shouldn't you already know this if you are a physician?
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