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    Hire and Fire/Musical Chairs

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    Holy Cow.
    I just found a print out of MUA faculty from a few years ago (2012) and about 20
    professors are not at MUA anymore. Like Musical Chairs. I'm starting to think that they just hire-and-fire willy nilly, which seems exploitative and damaging to people's careers.
    Do you really want to go to a fly-by-night university where they arbitrarily discard faculty like hot potatoes?
    I thought ethics and respect was something the Administration preached at MUA.
    This is what you get at for-profit universities, only money matters...
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    Wow, hard to not reply to a glaring troll, disgruntled failure, or rep of another school.

    So, 2012 was actually 4 years ago. You'd most likely see the same thing if you look on the roll of most US hospitals. It doesn't really say anything.

    This reply is just to tell folks who are possibly researching the school that there are a lot of people posting dumb glittering generalities all strung together, and that only about 5% or less of MUA student population ever post on here. I am one graduate of MUA (2010) who researched MUA on Value MD amongst other online sources, and just wanted to chime in. I won't reply again, because I know this will generate trashy emails from OP troll or others. I graduated from MUA and it's a good school. Not perfect, not U.S., but many residency programs have multiple MUA graduates on their roster. They may be lower tier, but does that really matter once your career is under way? Unless you are looking to be in academia.

    Quote Originally Posted by scolari66 View Post
    Holy Cow.
    I just found a print out of MUA faculty from a few years ago (2012) and about 20
    professors are not at MUA anymore. Like Musical Chairs. I'm starting to think that they just hire-and-fire willy nilly, which seems exploitative and damaging to people's careers.
    Do you really want to go to a fly-by-night university where they arbitrarily discard faculty like hot potatoes?
    I thought ethics and respect was something the Administration preached at MUA.
    This is what you get at for-profit universities, only money matters...
    MUA finished.
    Psychiatry residency finished.
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    I was commenting specifically on the immorality and uncouthness of inviting people out there
    to teach and then unexpectedly asking them to pack their bags, without any warning or explanation,
    an insidious revolving door that makes the school look shabby and unprofessional .
    You do not find that in American Medical Schools; it's a whole different scene.
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    Very odd common I must say and it seems like you have a grudge. Perhaps you were asked to leave?

    When I was there for 2 years there were not too much change in professors, there were a couple asked to leave, but that was a good thing. there was 1 that left to another school on his own because of some internal disagreement. There was one prof. who clearly lied about his teaching credentials and it was evident when he taught; he was promptly dismissed.

    I also got to know a few profs there were well that were excellent teachers. They told me that they liked to move around every few years to different school to have a change in their living environment.




    Quote Originally Posted by scolari66 View Post
    I was commenting specifically on the immorality and uncouthness of inviting people out there
    to teach and then unexpectedly asking them to pack their bags, without any warning or explanation,
    an insidious revolving door that makes the school look shabby and unprofessional .
    You do not find that in American Medical Schools; it's a whole different scene.

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    A lot of Caribbean schools have a high turnover for professors. I knew some professors at MUA that were on the island for a long time and talking to them they too get tired of Nevis. We all got tired of living on the island for 20 months, imagine living there for 4-5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medstudnt View Post
    A lot of Caribbean schools have a high turnover for professors. I knew some professors at MUA that were on the island for a long time and talking to them they too get tired of Nevis. We all got tired of living on the island for 20 months, imagine living there for 4-5 years.

    Good point, although I know in a few cases they gave a few profs just 2 or 3 hours to pack their bags, after years of committed teaching. That's just not right.
    Getting a prof job in this era takes 8-10 months, sometimes, so they are leaving people
    in the lurch, career-wise. Heavy-handed and maybe even against St. Kitts law.

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    Sounds like a good old fashioned tarring and feathering. I imagine they could stay on in Nevis as a tour guide, after they packed their bags. And some, although they were fine physicians and/or teachers already had 2 strikes against them. Which is why some are down there. Bottom line; you learn to learn and find your way (or not) whether it's U. S. or elsewhere. Teachers inspire and help, but you have to learn how to learn on your own. I was I spared by both good and bad teachers.
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    Usually when people have experiences like this there is much more to the story. I have many friends who work non-medical, non-professor jobs, and have been let go abruptly due to some reason or another. They perhaps get a package including salary support for a short period of time but otherwise the process is abrupt. When I was on the island, there were 1-2 professors I think should have been let go.

    Bottom line, there is more to the story. Hope your job search for professor position goes well. I am nearly a staff physician and the "real world" is not always so kind.

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    Good point, although I know in a few cases they gave a few profs just 2 or 3 hours to pack their bags, after years of committed teaching. That's just not right.
    Getting a prof job in this era takes 8-10 months, sometimes, so they are leaving people
    in the lurch, career-wise. Heavy-handed and maybe even against St. Kitts law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scolari66 View Post
    Holy Cow.
    I just found a print out of MUA faculty from a few years ago (2012) and about 20
    professors are not at MUA anymore. Like Musical Chairs. I'm starting to think that they just hire-and-fire willy nilly, which seems exploitative and damaging to people's careers.
    Do you really want to go to a fly-by-night university where they arbitrarily discard faculty like hot potatoes?
    I thought ethics and respect was something the Administration preached at MUA.
    This is what you get at for-profit universities, only money matters...
    This is not unusual at the Caribbean schools. People come and go all the time. Some are fired some leave on their own. People who teach at these places have their own reasons for being there and when it's time to leave they just leave. There is no such thing as tenure at the Caribbean schools.

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