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    MUA or UMHS??

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    Hey guys!

    I am really stuck in deciding between MUA and UMHS. I would appreciate any help/advice you guys have to offer. My opinion on the two based on my research thus far:

    MUA

    pros:
    *NY/FL approval
    *has better chance of getting Title IV funding
    *has better chance of getting Cali approval
    *been around longer- good residency stats
    *follows Saba's curriculum- which is changing starting Jan 2015 (not sure if that is a good thing)


    cons:
    *have to stay on the island sem 1-5
    *clinical department not as organized/strong as UMHS
    *new dean/administration not that great

    Am I missing anything?? Can anyone (especially current MUA students) list more pros and more cons please!

    UMHS:

    pros:
    *on island sem 1-4
    *great sem 5 clinical prep
    *good residency stats
    *great clinicals with little to no wait time
    *owned by Ross family
    *great campus/facilities
    *good curriculum

    cons:
    *no NY/FL/CA approval

    That's all I can think of for now if anyone else would like to add on to this list I would really appreciate it! I have to make my decision very soon and can't seem to chose between the two. Also, after adding the tuition and fees both schools are very similar in price- MUA is slightly more but doable.

    Thank you for your input!

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    ...............
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    Hi Ladync!

    Thank you for the reply! CA approval is not as important to me as having Title IV funding. Either way, I can live without both. Can you tell me about MUA's curriculum? I think they may be changing it for the Jan 2015 class but what is the current curriculum like? How are the professors? the students? the administration? My goal (as I'm sure is every med student's goal) is to learn as much as I can, work hard, do well on Step, take the knowledge that I have learned in basic sciences and apply it to clinicals, and obviously get a residency. That's the only thing that matters to me and I want to go to the school that will provide me with the tools I need to obtain that goal. I know both schools will give me that opportunity. Both schools seem really good and are almost the same so I'm just having trouble choosing between the two.


    What made you chose MUA, if you don't mind me asking.

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    I am thinking between AUA and MUA, which school in you opinion is better?

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    I haven't seen very candid discussions here about some of the changes at MUA.
    For example, the RLRA research project was universally criticized when they
    implemented it. Imagine a research project where you do not generate any actual
    data and the "mentor" has not ever published in the area, but the project is
    strictly graded and might keep your medical career (ie, clinicals) in limbo. Also, the 90%
    attendance is probably not in effect at UMHS, another extreme measure
    imposed when they hired a new "Dean" (more of a tyrant) back in January 2014.
    The number of applications to UMHS, where the top Dean
    was actually respected, skyrocketed when these new changes were
    imposed but I haven't seen any discussion of that type of thing on these
    message boards, even though it was common knowledge. Very peculiar.

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    Aua > mua????
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    If you are going to practice in the US, Title IV funding plays a big role in your future financial situation. Title IV funding provides more opportunities for repayment and loan forgiveness; these practices would help alleviate the debt obligations after school. If UMHS had Title IV approval, I would attend there in a heart beat. Nevertheless, MUA seems more appropriate for me.

    MUA has a better environment for my wife and 2 daughters. We are originally from the South Pacific, so we are familiar with island living; we look forward to less commercialization and more island living.

    MUA has Title IV funding, which provides ample opportunity for loan forgiveness and better loan repayment terms than private lenders.

    MUA has a track record for USMLE passing rates, residency matches, rotations with clinical affiliations, etc.

    MUA has better beaches than SABA....;-)

    From other students I've spoken with, especially a close friend that went to MUA/UMHS/Windsor, it doesn't matter what school, just go some where that will help you pass the USMLE, get rotations, and get you matched! The US doesn't care where you came from in the Caribbean, just if you passed the boards with great scores!

    Medical school is going to be tough as nails! Don't expect anything less! If you don't prepare for the most difficult academic and mental challenge in your life, than good luck... you will be in for a huge reckoning!

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    But does MUA get rotations and help you get matched?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOPEMDOne View Post
    But does MUA get rotations and help you get matched?
    Look, all schools CAN help you with clinical rotations and getting matched, but the ONLY thing that will ensure the highest possibility of success for a smooth transition into clinicals and a residency is what YOU have control over.

    i.e. USMLE scores, grades, etc.

    Don't fool yourself, no matter what school you go to, there will be detractors persuading you otherwise to stay away from a particular Carib school. Remember, the best scenario is to go stateside, BUT understand the risk of going with the Carib schools. There is a variety of reasons we choose a Carib school. Personally, I'm attending a Carib school because I BOMBED the MCAT (that's a depressing story in and of itself, given that I studied 6 months, took 13 practice exams and scored in the low 30's in my last 6 practice exams, nevertheless, I'm too depressed to dwell on my depressing score, can you tell?...lol) As I mentioned, most Carib schools have similar academic pathways. But, NO SCHOOL WILL GUARANTEE YOUR USMLE RESULTS...... Medical school is going to be backbreaking, retardingly difficult, insanely challenging, and surprisingly detrimental to your health. If you're not prepared to ace your boards (i.e. whatever 'aceing' means to you is entirely subjective), than forget about medical school.

    MUA is a good school, so is UMHS, and Ross, and SGU, and AUC, and SABA, and St. James, and Spartan, and Atlantic, and Windsor......you get my point, right?

    You have to decide for yourself what's important to you; do your homework and research the heck out of the schools online and via phone. There is plenty of resources on search engines to discover. You have to be creative in your searches and research 'outside the box'. Most of my research has been with online resources, phone conversations with friends that attended Carib schools, local Carib MD alumni, schools, etc.

    For example, I've been researching outdoor markets on Nevis and St. Kitts to find out what products are sold there. I'm assuming the products would be homegrown food items, similar to the islands I'm from; therefore, costs would be lower than 'regular' grocery stores. I am reaching out to islanders to discover pricing and quotes on typical items; i.e. casava, green bananas, fruits, root staples, fish, etc. Moreover, the opportunity for me to feed off island grown items is more appealing than looking for similar items we have here in the States. Frankly, I'd rather live off local foods and forget about what I might 'miss' from the States. That's just a sacrifice I'm willing to make for attending a Carib school.

    Another example is local government website information. I've been researching economic infrastructure development of the islands to discover plans, projects, obstacles, and/or accomplishments that the islands are conducting. This is important to evaluate the economy and living standards there. You can develop outlines and projections of the environment and formulate your own informed opinions regarding the environment with up to date information. This will encourage you to become a better informed visitor on the island. Remember, tourism is the biggest industry in these islands; therefore, reach out to the tourism bureaus of the various islands.... believe me, ALL the islands have some form of a 'Tourism Bureau', regardless of what they call it.

    Also, I've been researching transportation issues, pros/cons of having a vehicle there, costs for shipping, duty, taxes, registration, license requirements, visa/passport related issues with transportation. I've discovered shipping a vehicle from Japan would be more reliable in the long run and provide a better ROI when leaving because an improved vehicle would be on the market to other students. I've discovered a reputable website that provides detailed information regarding vehicles and quotes. I don't think I can post it here, but if you message me, I'll be happy to divulge that company.

    So, there is alot to this decision HOPEMDOne.

    You should be prepared and understand what you are doing. Remember, MORE PEOPLE FAIL OUT OF SCHOOL IN THE CARIB MD SCHOOLS THAN THE STATES. Regardless of the Carib school you attend, you will have a SIGNIFICANT amont of the students flunk for a variety of reasons. Although these schools satisfy the 'dream' of attending a MD school, remember, there has to be a reason why you couldn't be one of the students in a US based MD school. In an article on the AAMC website, they claim that over 48,000 students applied to MD schools for the 2013 cycle. Only about 20,000 enrolled for that time period. Regardless of the reasons, why do you think over 20,000 students didn't get into school? It could be any reason at all, but what I'm saying, if you can't be one of the 'elite' 20,000 that might get a seat in a US based MD school, THAN YOU HAVE TO BE BETTER THAN THOSE CANDIDATES IF YOU TAKE THE CARIB MD ROUTE. That's just common sense. Every Carib MD I've communicated with expressed the reality of the 'inferiority complex' healthcare establishments direct towards ill-prepared students from the Carib.... Basically, if you go the Carib route, you better know.....I MEAN REALLY KNOW YOUR S&!t.... excuse my French, but I'm being serious. Do you honestly think you can just 'get by' in a Carib school and you'll be fine? No way! When you are applying for the residency match, do you realize how competitive it is? How are you going to set yourself apart?

    YOU HAVE TO EXCEL IN THE USMLE SCORES TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR ABILITY TO COMPETE WITH THE US BASED STUDENTS..... PERIOD

    FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU NEED TO DO SO AS TO AVOID BEING ONE OF THE FAILING CARIB MD SCHOOL STATISTICS.

    Don't fret, although my post might propose some pessimism, I'm only identifying the nature of the beast (i.e. medical school).....

    I'm not a med student yet, but I am strongly leaning towards attending UMHS or MUA..... I'm considering all other schools for possible backup applications. Nevertheless, I intend to start in Jan or Spring of 2016. I have to pay off some debt and prepare myself financially. Wish me luck, as to you as well.
    Last edited by sysyphas; 02-18-2015 at 02:03 AM.
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    I saw a website that ranked almost all the carribean med schools. went somewhat like this: big4>AUA>MUA>SMU>others
    www caribbeanmedstudent.com/caribbean-medical-school-rankings/

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