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    MUA kicking students out after passing comprehensive shelf exam? - 2014!!

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    hey guys, just needed a suggestion. I was planning to apply to MUA for next semester to start medical school. However, I heard from a distant relative that MUA recently kicked about 20 or so students out even after passing the comprehensive shelf exam? is this true?

    MUA changed the contract for their students behind their backs and automatically made them comply to new contract rules. up until last year students would take 6 or even 8 months to take step 1 examination. Ive heard that this year they didnt notify the students of their policy changes and automatically kicked students out of the school after 120 days (4 months) of not taking step 1?


    is there any truth to this? I need to confirm this with more people, because there is no way i am going to this school if the school administration is being so sneaky and changing contracts behind students backs!!!!

    someone please confirm this news with me, i need to make a decision soon, either MUA or AUA. I'd rather go to AUA if this is true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014notthere View Post
    hey guys, just needed a suggestion. I was planning to apply to MUA for next semester to start medical school. However, I heard from a distant relative that MUA recently kicked about 20 or so students out even after passing the comprehensive shelf exam? is this true?

    MUA changed the contract for their students behind their backs and automatically made them comply to new contract rules. up until last year students would take 6 or even 8 months to take step 1 examination. Ive heard that this year they didnt notify the students of their policy changes and automatically kicked students out of the school after 120 days (4 months) of not taking step 1?


    is there any truth to this? I need to confirm this with more people, because there is no way i am going to this school if the school administration is being so sneaky and changing contracts behind students backs!!!!

    someone please confirm this news with me, i need to make a decision soon, either MUA or AUA. I'd rather go to AUA if this is true!

    It's true in all caribbean schools (MUA, AUA etc). Safest bet is St. Georges and even then nothing is a guarantee. I am in AUA clinicals, passed step 1 with a score >240. AUA changed their comp shelf passing policy when we were in Med 4 - 2 months before writing it. It's just that there aren't that many clinical spots available so they make students with high step scores move on and even then clinicals from a caribbean school is hell.

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    I'm not sure if it is true or not; asking the school is going to be the best source for upto date information. I would imagine that this decision to limit time to write step 1 is a positive move.

    I am a resident now and graduated from MUA. I can say that if you are taking more than 4 months to study for step 1 your changes of passing are low. It is an exam that taking more time to study actually results in a lower score. Studying for 1-2 months is more than enough time. If you take more, then I question what people are studying during that time or if they actually learned anything in medical school. More time to study means you are likely forgetting more than you are learning. and I don't know how anyone can stay focused on studying productively for that length of time.

    MUA is a good school. If I had to choose again, I would go there. I'm sure AUA is good as well, but I don't know anything about that school from first hand experience.

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    I am a MUA student.

    This is true. They dismissed over 20 Students from a semester class of 70. The students signed a contract with the school that said they would have a year to write step. Then in 4 months without warning they were dismissed. This is an illegal breach of contract according to Massachusetts state law. I personally know several students who rushed to write step and failed. Once you fail step the chances of a IMG student getting match is 17%.

    Most if not all other Caribbean schools allow a year. (Including SGU, AUA, AUC, ROSS, SABA). Even American med schools allow an extension.

    30% of students did not feel ready to write the step after 4 months. This does not factor in the numerous people who rushed to write the exam.
    If you have a choice i would nor recommend this school. Yes it is a good CARIBBEAN school. Yes people have gotten residency. Yes there are good profs. Overall the school is descent. But step 1 is the biggest hurdle to matching. You can not simply pass STEP 1 like American med students to match. The fact that the school is rushing students and dismissing them after 4 months is a joke.

    California States assessment of MUA:

    1) MUA is very lecture dependent. There is limited active/problem-based learning.
    2) Need to standardize the clinical experience throughout all hospital sites.
    3) High drop-out rate and high failure rate for Step 2 CK and CS.
    4) Wide distribution of clinics makes it difficult to monitor mistreatment of students. Student Affairs "department" is being "stretched very thin."
    5) There is no monitoring of graduates for outcomes/performance. And there is no student evaluation of the overall MUA curriculum/experience.
    Last edited by medmedstudent; 06-02-2014 at 08:04 PM.

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    Hmmmmm, both the OP and the above poster who confirms OP's suspicions, joined VMD at the same time and have posted only once ever. That to me brings in some credibility issues. I would wait until a more experience VMD person responds before jumping to conclusions. There is too much public defamation of schools going on in this forum (not saying that this is such case) and I would wait to get confirmations from at least a few people before deciding what's true. And I don't know who gave the OP an idea about calling schools to ask about this matter. I can't imagine MUA going "yep, we changed the rules without notifying people and we dropped 25% of our class because of it".

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    we are not the same person. I have been lurking for a while. Signed up to give my opinion. This is a very specific incident. Not the regular "this school sucks, its a scam". I am actually at the school. There is a new clinical dean. The student handbook was changed mid march. The Facts are from now on once you finish basic sciences you have 120days to write step1 or else your dismissed. No excuses, No family emergency. No extensions.

    Two years of time, money and effort. To kick students out many who have not failed or dropped any courses is ridiculous. A class action lawsuit is in the works because of this obvious breach of contract.

    MUA kicking students out after passing comprehensive shelf exam? - 2014!!-screen-shot-2014-06-02-7.14.30-pm.jpg

    this is an email students received in January, 2014 after passing comp exam. Less then 4 months later a Letter of dismissal was received to over 20 students.

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    MUA kicking students out after passing comprehensive shelf exam? - 2014!!-screen-shot-2014-06-02-7.29.37-pm.png

    this is the dismissal received in may.

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    Thanks Medmed for providing the evidence and I am sorry if I offended you or OP by doubting you guys since defamation due to competition is pretty common on VMD.
    Having said that, this is very unusual from MUA. I don't think I have ever heard complaints of this magnitude about this school but I think this may be a rule that is brought in for California approval. But it is absolutely ridiculous that they decided to bring in this rule and implement it so quickly. I can't help but feel how devastated those 20 students are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terp13 View Post
    Thanks Medmed for providing the evidence and I am sorry if I offended you or OP by doubting you guys since defamation due to competition is pretty common on VMD.
    Having said that, this is very unusual from MUA. I don't think I have ever heard complaints of this magnitude about this school but I think this may be a rule that is brought in for California approval. But it is absolutely ridiculous that they decided to bring in this rule and implement it so quickly. I can't help but feel how devastated those 20 students are.

    not offended but appreciate the apology nonetheless. That is the reason I applied to MUA because it seemed like one of the most straightforward and honest Caribbean schools. However there are new deans in place and it has not been owned by the same people as SABA for several years now.

    Im 90% sure it has nothing to do with Cali approval cause california medical schools and all the other big 4 plus AUA dont have these restrictions at all. I believe its due to the new dean.

    MUA is a good school. It can get you to where you need to go. But this new 120days or dismissal rule is huge deterrent. A lot of current students are stressed about this situation. It may not seem like a big deal for people applying right now. It may seem so far away. But it is another huge hurdle on top of all the hurdles Carib students have to face.

    120 students were in my initial class. About 50 of those remained to write the comp without failing out or being held back (70 total, including about 20 who took longer then 5 semesters to complete basic sciences...failed classes etc). Of those 70, at least 20 were dismissed because they felt they were not ready for the exam. These are all people who passed the comp exam and who finished all 5 semesters at MUA. So to suggest 120days is more then sufficient to do well on step is statistically inaccurate.
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    isnt that sort of a good thing? I may be wrong but from what i heard from majority of the students is that it should take you around 4-6, maybe 7 weeks to study for the step 1 because the longer you take to study the more material you will forget.
    They might have done this because students probably got high scoresr studying for 4-6 weeks right after med 5? And also some of the big 4 and AUA have restrictions. AUA and ROSS you can only retake the exam 3 times within one year which is the same policy as MUA

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