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    BostonCreamCYP450 is offline Member 512 points
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    How to tackle Med5 and Comp?

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    I will be starting Med5 next week and was wondering if upper meds could kindly give me some advice on how to go about it.
    I know that we have to pass path 2 and icm in order to write comp. I was wondering if someone could post their rough schedule that they followed for med5. also what resources they used for comp and also if it is possible to get much comp studying done while studying path2 and icm.
    what question banks are better for comp? kaplan or uw or both? and what other resources they used.
    any help in this regards would be greatly appreciated.

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    Deja vu, Big Baller. Congrats on making it through Med 4, here's my take on Med 5.

    Med 5 is tiring because of the schedule; you're in class from 8-5 almost every day. Just don't let it wear you down.

    ICM definitely merits a large portion of your attention. You review everything from PD and then learn more in this class. Really loved ICM lab--favorite class of the semester. The instructors are excellent and really in tune with what's on the shelf, as well as what you need to know to practice efficiently in the real world with non-classmate patients. You might not get the most out of lecture, but pay attention to the points in bold and starred on the powerpoints--they'll definitely come up on block exams and are good concepts to know for the shelf. For the block exams, make sure to review your modules and quizzes, as there will be very familiar problems. If you don't understand a concept or a calculation, make sure you either discuss it with your classmate or with Dr. D because it will come up again. There are no outside resources necessary for this class. Just pay attention to your attendance and it should be an easy A.

    Path is just like last semester except concentrated--only 3 blocks but for almost 3 hours a day. Try not to let the hours of lecture drain you and make sure to keep up on your notes. If you didn't use Golijan last semester, now's a great time to start. (I found that out the hard way AFTER the 3 block exams were over.) Make sure to review Path I for the shelf and resist the temptation to look at the "documents" everyone else in the class has for the shelf exam. If you truly study, it's very do-able but watch out: 3 people failed in our class while 0 failed ICM.

    Kaplan is torture. Show up and either watch the videos or put your headphones in and work on path notes. Absences are what kill people in this class; save as many hours as you can for full-time Kaplan. I didn't watch the videos and did fine, but then again, there were people who did keep up with the videos and still stayed on top of path but it takes a lot of work. Take the post-tests seriously and you'll see where your deficits are; resist the temptation to click proceed after one question and take the afternoon off. Same with the diagnostic test you'll have to take this weekend.

    OB/GYN rotations are nothing to worry about, just don't go on a block weekend.

    For comp, I liked Exam Master and Kaplan questions. I know people who did U World but found the questions defeatingly difficult at times, though I did hear that similarly-worded questions showed up on path exams and on the comp. Once ICM and path are over, try to challenge yourself with at least 25-50 questions daily--don't focus so much on your score but on concepts that you've forgotten and need to review. I know people who started doing questions back when path and ICM were still going on...personally I wouldn't, but to each his own. If you have memorized a lot and have a lot to relearn, perhaps it would be helpful. I thought it was too overwhelming with path--keeping up with it alone was like trying to sip from a firehose.

    Most of all, don't listen to your classmates. Some lie, some slack off, some take "breaks." You've made it this far. Just do what has worked for you in the past or what feels right. If you think you need some time off, take an afternoon. It won't kill you. Just because the guy in front of you watches the Kaplan videos at 3x and goes through the entire series 4 times during the whole semester doesn't mean he's going to pass the comp and you're not. Review until you're comfortable and remember that comp doesn't test to the level of detail that block exams do.

    Best of luck!

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    BostonCreamCYP450 is offline Member 512 points
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    Thank you for the detailed reply.
    Today we had the first day of Med5 and I saw people doing all sorts of things.
    I panicked as I thought I wasn't doing enough but reading your post really helped me and I guess sooner I realize that everyone works differently in Med5 specially, the better it would be for me.
    Again thank you so much and good luck with all of your future endeavours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller View Post
    Thank you for the detailed reply.
    Today we had the first day of Med5 and I saw people doing all sorts of things.
    I panicked as I thought I wasn't doing enough but reading your post really helped me and I guess sooner I realize that everyone works differently in Med5 specially, the better it would be for me.
    Again thank you so much and good luck with all of your future endeavours.
    Honestly I would start doing questions perhaps more Kaplan Qbank than Uworld at this point try to save that for step. Learn Path and ICM well cause what you learn now along with pathI is really high yield stuff that will def get tested on heavily since you are dealing more now with system based concepts as oppose to the general path you learned in med I. Dont worry so much about passing med 5 as much as knowing your pooh pooh really for comp. Like i said do know path and ICM well but dont kill yourself if you're not getting as high marks as you did before. About failing path II , you would have to really have dug yourself deep into a hole to manage that and for the shelf if you dont know your stuff well enough and are banking on that to pass I would suggest looking at those docs cause everyone has them and the score to pass the shelf will be higher than any other shelf you probably took cause of the fact so dont expect a curve to pass you. And since you're not in this past med 5 class chances are your profs wont fail anyone cause that class was huge and was hated upon by every prof at MUA lol so that was expected. But dont freak out. It's easier said than done but when you look at it what happens happens and if you tried your hardest theres not much you can do and for your class you have ample time to still match for 2015 so it wont be the end of the world if you didnt pass the first time. Good luck and most importantly do what works best for you and not what your friends or other people are saying they do cause you will get freaked the f out just make a plan and stick with it. Have fun and trust me, this semester will be over faster than any other semester you've gone through so make sure you start off well and finish strong

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    i agree with many points from the above posts.

    I previously posted how i studied in med 5 and subsequently for step 1. In summary, first thing to keep in mind is don't believe the hype. in med5 some people will panic and rumors will fly that mua is horrible and everyone is going to transfer. some (insert horrible offensive word here) guy spread rumors that he figured out dirty secrets of mua and was transferring and everyone else should go with him. he didn't transfer, but others did and bombed the exam because they didn’t care anymore. I assume that person did it in hopes mua would curve the exam more if people failed. Who knows the persons motivation. point: don't waste your time listening to negative people.

    when path was over and I had the day to study I spend 40% of my time reading/memorizing/understanding first aid for step 1, and the rest of time doing uworld questions. also do the kaplan questions and evaluation exams. Close to the exam I was only doing questions. I was a totally average student who actually failed several exams (not classes) and I rocked the comp and did great on step 1.

    When I woke up and brushing my teeth I would look at charts of micro (viruses and bacteria) which I put up on my mirror. Looking at those everyday make it easy to memorize without any effort. from what I remember i use to wake up at 7-8am and do questions for until lunch in 20 question blocks. take a break for lunch, watch tv for 30-60mins. then read from firstaid from 1pm to about 5-6pm. I use to try to get through a section. then work out and have dinner until about 7pm. then questions for another 2-3 hours. then get a good night rest. When I wasn’t studying I spent my time listen to goljan audio lectures with earphones. Like cleaning up, working out, etc.

    tips. when studying, no surfing internet, no checking emails. if you can't resist, wait to check it after an hour of good studying.

    I got through first aid for step 1 about 3 times and knew it well. I finished all the kaplan evaluation exams, but not the all the questions. I finished all of usmle world and did the hard questions or questions I flagged twice. I also repeated all the questions I got wrong until i got them right and understood the concept.

    Now I'm started my second year of residency as a surgical resident in one of the best university programs in the country. i'm actually oncall writing this because it is quiet right now (rare). I'm saying this to show you that your hard work will pay off. you need to know a lot of that when you start your clinical years. don't listen to any negativity, focus on mastering that material.
    Good luck

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    THANK YOU!
    I am not a strong student by any standards but have made it to Med5 without messing up any semester or course and let me tell you that at times I get into this spiral of negative thoughts and its really hard to come out of it. That is when I started this thread and all of your replies have really helped me. It also gave me confidence that I can do it till the end and all of you are an inspiration for me. Thank you again and please keep up the positive thoughts and stories

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    Quote Originally Posted by don1 View Post
    i agree with many points from the above posts.

    I previously posted how i studied in med 5 and subsequently for step 1. In summary, first thing to keep in mind is don't believe the hype. in med5 some people will panic and rumors will fly that mua is horrible and everyone is going to transfer. some (insert horrible offensive word here) guy spread rumors that he figured out dirty secrets of mua and was transferring and everyone else should go with him. he didn't transfer, but others did and bombed the exam because they didnít care anymore. I assume that person did it in hopes mua would curve the exam more if people failed. Who knows the persons motivation. point: don't waste your time listening to negative people.

    when path was over and I had the day to study I spend 40% of my time reading/memorizing/understanding first aid for step 1, and the rest of time doing uworld questions. also do the kaplan questions and evaluation exams. Close to the exam I was only doing questions. I was a totally average student who actually failed several exams (not classes) and I rocked the comp and did great on step 1.

    When I woke up and brushing my teeth I would look at charts of micro (viruses and bacteria) which I put up on my mirror. Looking at those everyday make it easy to memorize without any effort. from what I remember i use to wake up at 7-8am and do questions for until lunch in 20 question blocks. take a break for lunch, watch tv for 30-60mins. then read from firstaid from 1pm to about 5-6pm. I use to try to get through a section. then work out and have dinner until about 7pm. then questions for another 2-3 hours. then get a good night rest. When I wasnít studying I spent my time listen to goljan audio lectures with earphones. Like cleaning up, working out, etc.

    tips. when studying, no surfing internet, no checking emails. if you can't resist, wait to check it after an hour of good studying.

    I got through first aid for step 1 about 3 times and knew it well. I finished all the kaplan evaluation exams, but not the all the questions. I finished all of usmle world and did the hard questions or questions I flagged twice. I also repeated all the questions I got wrong until i got them right and understood the concept.

    Now I'm started my second year of residency as a surgical resident in one of the best university programs in the country. i'm actually oncall writing this because it is quiet right now (rare). I'm saying this to show you that your hard work will pay off. you need to know a lot of that when you start your clinical years. don't listen to any negativity, focus on mastering that material.
    Good luck
    Hi Don
    I am one of the people who read your previous post on the COMP did well and passed the Step .Thanks for all the tips which really helped me Now I am in Rotations. Have you any advice on how to complete rotations with A grades and get truly good scores in Step 11 CK and CS . I have been made to understand that getting A grades in rotations is highly doable but there are times I freak out with the long hours at the hospital which I love with all the home work, patient logs and online assignments and study for the shelf and Step2 . I have a number of back to back rotations.
    Thanks in advance for the tips.

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    you cheated your way through school from md1 to md5 and failed the comp. we all know about the rawlins people and your pencil tricks. though nobody ever knew about it, ya eh. hope you studied while at home and not smoking up with your friends LLLLOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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    thanks!! sorry for the late reply, just saw it now.

    I found that most people got A's from their rotation. the difficulty is in keeping the A's for your final grade considering the other parts of your grade. when i was doing do rotations, part of our grade was from finishing online modules and some from the NBME. I would suggest making sure you do all the modules on time, thats straight forward. for the NBME try to find old questions to study from and there is another databank the school gives you access to (can't recall it), which I heard has similar types questions.

    in regard to step 2 cs and ck. for cs, I studyied for 2 weeks with a friend who was taking it at the same time and used first aid for cs. get the latest edition and only study the long cases. I think first aid someone gets the actual senarios and places them in the book. when I took the exam, even the fake patient names matched what was in the book. i went through every senario twice. either pretending to be a patient or the physician.

    for ck, the way to do great on it is to study the material you are learning as best as possible. for example, if you are doing internal medicine, try to read and do questions for internal medicine during that time. easier said than done, but some people do that. if I were to take exam again, i would focus on reading more material and getting a good base of understanding and then doing usmle world plus maybe kaplan. i did questions too early and found i was getting lots wrong which took a hit on my confidence. don't believe people who say it is an easy exam. it is only possibly easy if you study like crazy for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by manuka honey View Post
    Hi Don
    I am one of the people who read your previous post on the COMP did well and passed the Step .Thanks for all the tips which really helped me Now I am in Rotations. Have you any advice on how to complete rotations with A grades and get truly good scores in Step 11 CK and CS . I have been made to understand that getting A grades in rotations is highly doable but there are times I freak out with the long hours at the hospital which I love with all the home work, patient logs and online assignments and study for the shelf and Step2 . I have a number of back to back rotations.
    Thanks in advance for the tips.
    Last edited by don1; 11-11-2012 at 07:31 AM.

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