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    Dear all,

    I apologize in advance if there is already a thread about this (I didn't see it), but from what I have read MUA Nevis is U.S.M.L.E. accredited, but not L.C.M.E. accredited. Someone on this forum said the school isn't accredited in all states like Saba is, so what does this exactly mean? Because it seems like alumni from MUA are in residency in other states. And what is special about New York -- is it just that they're the first state to recognize MUA Nevis?

    Sorry again for the ignorant questions -- and thanks in advance for the responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pre-med Doctor View Post
    Dear all,

    I apologize in advance if there is already a thread about this (I didn't see it), but from what I have read MUA Nevis is U.S.M.L.E. accredited, but not L.C.M.E. accredited. Someone on this forum said the school isn't accredited in all states like Saba is, so what does this exactly mean? Because it seems like alumni from MUA are in residency in other states. And what is special about New York -- is it just that they're the first state to recognize MUA Nevis?

    Sorry again for the ignorant questions -- and thanks in advance for the responses.
    Oh man....here we go again. Thread number 1 million about the same questions. Don't be offended pre-meddie, but IF you indeed did read as you said you did then you would not be asking these questions. I am not going to answer this again, maybe someone else with more patience will. For goodness sake please just do some research by reading old posts.

    here are a few for you to start with:

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    Clarification

    If all of my nine months of experience on ValueMD have done nothing else, at least I can say that I'm fairly versed on medical licensing in various states and on the most reliable places to get that information. I never knew how complex it was until I happened upon this site. Anyway, I'll try to answer your question as simply as possible based on my understanding thus far:

    1. Almost anyone (perhaps the word "almost" is unecessary here) can open up a medical school and start granting MD degrees.

    2. In order to be licensed in any state in the US, an MD (potential MD) must pass a standardized medical knowledge test, in every state, the USMLE series (composed of steps 1, 2, and 3) satisfies this requirement. A handful of states allow some other test that I am not too familiar with.

    3. For safety, and proprietary reasons, only LCME medical schools (MD schools in the US and Canada) are allowed to sit for the USMLE UNLESS...

    4. The medical school that is located outside of the US or Canada is on the International Medical School Directory (IMED) of the Foundation for Advancment of International Medical Education and Research (FAIMER). If this condition is met, then a student of the listed medical school may apply for Educational Commission of Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) certification and and sit for the USMLE.

    5. In some states, California is the most notorious but others too, passing the USLME doesn't mean a hill of beans with respect to granting a license to practice if you went to a school that, for whatever reason, is not approved by that state. In some states, you won't be allowed to do a residency if you didn't go to an approved school. All states have similarities and differences with regards to issuing medical/residency licenses.

    6. MUA's students (and graduates--USMLE 3) are eligible to take the USMLE. I don't plan on attending MUA so I haven't checked on this school. For the most part, MUA is considered a "second tier" by would-be students because it is not on Cali's approved list, which means you can't get licensed in Cali or any of the states that use Cali's list as a reference (with the special note that since it isn't on Cali's disapproved list, some states may go on a case by case basis). It is not a third tier school because of it has NY approval. (To be sure, MUA graduates are doing very well for themselves. Don't let what one person decides is best for him/her have any bearing on your decision on the best course for you!)

    Anyway, seems like a lot, huh? I hope this helped out a little. There are a lot of acronyms and rules and all. If you're considering going outside of the US to get your MD, I'd say use ValueMD kind of like I use Wikipedia, to get a general "feel" for things so that more reliable research can be done. The most reliable places to go are the OFFICIAL sites of the state medical boards, ECFMG and FAIMER/IMED. Ultimately, you have to check everything out for yourself because no knowledge is as good as first hand knowledge when it comes the licensing process. No one wants to waste time and money in a medical school in another country to return to the states and learn that their degree has earned them a job as a general manager at Burger King at worst or Bally's at best. I really hope this helps you.
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    Thank you for your thoughtful response, secondthought. MUA Nevis is U.S.M.L.E. and E.C.F.M.G. accredited, according to the Nevis site.

    mua.edu/index_recognitionandapproval.php

    I wasn't planning on going to California anyways, so things are looking good. (I was accepted to Nevis.) Thanks again my friend!

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    good synopsis.

    addendum.

    a) All Post basic science MUA students are eligible for all steps of the USMLE.

    b) Some states allow residency, but not license ie TN

    Summary: Saba then MUA...in that order.

    Note: MUA (sister school of Saba, same model) will most likely get Cali eventually, it took Saba 15-17 years. MUA is 10 years old. Do the math.
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    Congrats on your acceptance!

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    Joe Thank you.....exactly....I am amazed...always am...The search button can just slap ya if you ain't looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secondthought View Post
    Congrats on your acceptance!
    Thanks! Am definitely looking forward to it.

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