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    MUA vs. UMHS

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    I've heard some talk around campus of people possibly transfering to the new school on St. Kitts (The University of Medicine and Health Sciences). But here are some fairly good reasons to hold that thought:

    1. MUA already has NY approval, and is in the process of gaining ACCM and other states to follow. UMHS does not...
    2. Nevis is by far a safer island than St. kitts. Remember you can't live at the Marriot.
    3. MUA has Graduates that are licensed and practicing in various states and Canada. Plus Residency matches that are not all that bad. UMHS I'm sure will have all that as well some day but they sure don't have it now.
    4. MUA will finally be moving into their state of the art New Building next semester and we will have the same Technology, and Simulators that UMHS has.
    5. Tuition is actually still lower over here at MUA
    6. Although some of our MUA faculty could use some work, they are still far more proven then the brand new faculty at UMHS.
    7. MUA was a little shakey for the last little while but is definately on its way up. New dedicated Dean, High quality new faculty being recruited as we speek, and applications for more state approvals have MUA on the right track, headed UP.

    I'm not bashing UMHS, I'm sure in 10 years or so they will be a top notch University as well, but as it stands now, I really think it would be foolish to leave MUA considering what we already have, and where the school is headed.

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    Admin has repeatedly stated that they will fire those professors who don't teach well. Wouldn't it make more sense to train the professors we already have on how to teach and how to test? Changing faculty too often can not possibly be good for the school. Who is making these decisions anyway?

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    I am making these decisions. As you will find after thirty years of experience that not all very smart people are able to teach. Teaching is a gift that comes to some and not others. There is often not a way to "teach" someone how to teach. We have a new Micro/Immuno professor from the U of Toronto coming and a course director from ****** Jefferson In Phily we are talking to and a magnificient teacher from the All India Institute of Medicine (the Harvard of India) joining in Sept. Very often just like a "sports" team it takes a rotation of players until you find the DREAM TEAM at MUA with these new additions we will be very very close. It would be wonderful if we could just teach everyone how to teach but you can't sadly. The other great misconception out there is that there is "mythical high yield info" that profs should be focusing on. I just took the comp shelf and Kaplan myself and I can swear on my son's life that there is NO SUCH THING as high yield info. The high yield info is every word in Leninger, Robbins, Guyton,Mayer,Netter...every word, every concept. Profs can do better at outlining how to learn but there is no medical student on this planet that ultimately does not learn the info themselves. Yes I am putting together a Dream Team but each of our students is still going to make themselves the doctor they become. At 3am in the ER if I am the sick one I hope its a good doctor.
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    the problem with "training" certain professors to teach is that it comes at the expense of students learning. some students are alright with the concept as long as they don't have those profs.

    I think is great that MUA is taking action to having a team of strong teaching professors rather than just maintaining.

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    Admin has repeatedly stated that they will fire those professors who don't teach well. Wouldn't it make more sense to train the professors we already have on how to teach and how to test? Changing faculty too often can not possibly be good for the school. Who is making these decisions anyway?

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    New Profs

    I am so excited about the new people we have coming. Going to make the strong school that much stronger. But remember just like kissing a lot of frogs to find the prince, I have to listen to a LOT of MP3 lectures or watch a lot of video lectures to find the ones I am truly looking for. It is very time consuming. I am considering asking students to listen to some of the prospective prof lectures on MP3 as well to get varied opinions. The age of technology has made it very easy even without a visit to get a true composite of people's work and skill sets. Anyone interested in listening to lecture by prospective profs on MP3 should let me know. If you have some input I think that would be very nice and also make it very very hard for you to complain!!!..:)))
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    I have posted something similar before - not sure which thread it was, but I was wondering if it'd actually be possible in the future to have prospective faculty actually come to the island for a series of guest lectures.

    Thus, for example, if 3 people are competing for a faculty position, all three could give guest lectures within a week. Interested students and faculty can attend, and then feedback given. This way, potential faculty can be gauged in multiple ways from multiple points of view.

    Of course this is utimately decided by the school authorities, but if while making a decision, the opinions of current faculty and students can be weighed in, this could make for a very good thing in terms of future faculty hiring.

    This system was used in my undergraduate univeristy, and I had taken part in two series of these lectures, of which one was to hire a genetics professor. The professor who ended up getting hired was a much better teacher than the other two, despite the others looking better "on paper." To this day, I've heard nothing but good things from both faculty and students about this particular professor.
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    Conway come see me and i will give you some lectures to listen to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by darmarmay View Post
    I've heard some talk around campus of people possibly transfering to the new school on St. Kitts (The University of Medicine and Health Sciences). But here are some fairly good reasons to hold that thought:

    1. MUA already has NY approval, and is in the process of gaining ACCM and other states to follow. UMHS does not...
    2. Nevis is by far a safer island than St. kitts. Remember you can't live at the Marriot.
    3. MUA has Graduates that are licensed and practicing in various states and Canada. Plus Residency matches that are not all that bad. UMHS I'm sure will have all that as well some day but they sure don't have it now.
    4. MUA will finally be moving into their state of the art New Building next semester and we will have the same Technology, and Simulators that UMHS has.
    5. Tuition is actually still lower over here at MUA
    6. Although some of our MUA faculty could use some work, they are still far more proven then the brand new faculty at UMHS.
    7. MUA was a little shakey for the last little while but is definately on its way up. New dedicated Dean, High quality new faculty being recruited as we speek, and applications for more state approvals have MUA on the right track, headed UP.

    I'm not bashing UMHS, I'm sure in 10 years or so they will be a top notch University as well, but as it stands now, I really think it would be foolish to leave MUA considering what we already have, and where the school is headed.
    8- In my opinion, I don't blame students transferring from MUA to UMHS.
    --MUA is making it almost impossible for students with no medical background to pass. They raise the shelf exam to 15% at NY State request, but students don't get enough preparation in class to pass such a highly clinical based exam (specifically physio). The only shelf exam we are well prepared for is Med Psych.
    --The curriculum at UMHS is more digestible and more US based. They split Anatomy and physiology over two semesters, just the way it's in the US. UMHS teaches students what they need to know to do well in step 1. They have 5 hours of biochem a week, MUA has 10. They have 5 hours of micro a week, MUA has 10. They have 5 hours of behavioral science, MUA has 8. Medical students in the US who see MUA curriculum ask why they are covering so many details. That way, MUA students spend most of the day in class. By the time they get home, they are too tired to study.
    ---UMHS has the fifth semester in the US, MUA doesn't. Most caribbean med schools are now having their fifth semester in the US. MUA doesn't intent to do so any time soon.
    ---MUA wants to improve students performance the wrong way by getting tough on students with unfair exams. They should start by reviewing their curriculum, getting better professors, giving students more time to study.
    ---Life is cheaper in St Kitts. Students in St kitts are getting a three bedroom appartment for 1,000 EC. In Nevis it's 950 US the equivalent of 2,500 EC. H buses fare is 2.00 EC in St Kitts. In Nevis it's 4.00 EC.
    ---As far as safety is concerned, Nevis is not 100% safe. Students' appartments have been broken into these last few days.
    ---One thing we should remember is that UMHS is not like other new med schools. Ross the founder is a well connected guy. And it won't be long before UMHS gets on top of a lot of med schools in the caribbean. I think UMHS will be a top noch university in two years or so. Mark my words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Administration of MUA View Post
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    Hi dameme, Your points may be valid and I'm not knocking UMHS, but this is a school which hasn't even given its first class yet. According to their web site they don't yet have any clinical rotation spots. While the founder has had experience in running a medical school, its reputation improved in the years after it was sold and resold. I thought that his plan for an international nusing school was a great idea, but for various reasons it has not proved to be very successful--UMHS will be using some of the nursing school facilities. So the track record is mixed. I wouldn't dream of telling anyone not to transfer to UMHS if they want to, or that it can't be great school one day, just that a curriculum on paper is not the same as one in practice.
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