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    caribdoctor is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    Pass rate for MUA only 65% first time

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    be careful what they tell you at MUA the first time pass rate is only 65%. It was finally told by the executive dean, Dr. S who i will remind you, quit within 1 month of working for MUA. He did not like the way the post test situation was handled and quit. If you do not believe me call the school and ask. Thank you Dr. S for being honest for the first time. Also new york board of medicine wants MUA pass rate at 85% that is why the school is trying to do a overhaul of the education, b/c we have not been exposed to USMLE questions and the overabundant of cheating has caused this.

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    we now write shelf exams every term, big plus. I didn't think the pass rate was a big secret, the dean has been taking actions to improve it despite the extrinsic factors.

    Here are some stats from the ECFMG:
    In 2005 the step 1 exam average was 68% for non-us/canadian schools.
    In 2006 the step 1 exam average was 70% for non-us/canadian schools.

    In 2004 and 2005 the step 1 exam average from a US/Canadian school was 91% and 92% respectively. Those who took the test with a DO degree had a first time pass rate of 69% and 72% respectively over the same period.

    Moral of the story, if you want to be a doctor go to a US/Canadian school for the best chance of passing. If that doesn't work, go the the carribean and study like crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by don1 View Post
    we now write shelf exams every term, big plus. I didn't think the pass rate was a big secret, the dean has been taking actions to improve it despite the extrinsic factors.

    Here are some stats from the ECFMG:
    In 2005 the step 1 exam average was 68% for non-us/canadian schools.
    In 2006 the step 1 exam average was 70% for non-us/canadian schools.

    In 2004 and 2005 the step 1 exam average from a US/Canadian school was 91% and 92% respectively. Those who took the test with a DO degree had a first time pass rate of 69% and 72% respectively over the same period.

    Moral of the story, if you want to be a doctor go to a US/Canadian school for the best chance of passing. If that doesn't work, go the the carribean and study like crazy.


    but why LIE TO US AND NOT TELL US THE TRUTH? WE ASKED THE HOME OFFICE THEY WOULDNT ALLOW US TO KNOW THE FIRST TIME PASS RATE, THAT IS UNETHICAL - pretty much that statement you made you are saying I can pretty much go to any carib school and get the same results and thus not have to put up with the garbage going on here.
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    I'm surprised by those numbers you posted regarding US DO students...is it because few of them actually take the USMLE over the COMLEX?

    I did meet a few DO's on the interview trail and most that I met had not taken the USMLE's...the one or two that did average on them.

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    Frankly

    I never got a straight answer from any administration concerning the First Round Step 1 score... I'm talking about AUC, SMU, SABA, MUA, Windsor, Spartan etc... They all fudge the numbers one way or another. So we were really lucky to get a straight answer on this from Dr. S who probably got in trouble for giving that information out.

    I'm not saying its ethical to mislead students, but I am saying that it is common practice with all the Caribbean Med Schools. From now on I would think our school is going to have a pretty hard time not telling the truth, considering the truth came out on its own... I would consider that a positve change even though the truth (65%) kind of sucked to hear.

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    I was told that the pass rate is 80%.Now,most of us didnt know that wasnt the first time pass rate.Looking back,i think it would be childish if anyone expects any caribbean school to have a 90% PASS RATE.Thats a feat maybe half the U.S. school attain. If we hd the student strength of those schools,im sure we could get those sort of figures.

    So anyone thinking abt MUA should know,if you study hard enough you can do well on ur step one and have a chance to do rotations and get licensed in the U.S.Personally,i wouldnt get discouraged or mislead by some disgruntle student who probably struggled and just stayed above the 70% pass mark and then realize that they cant do well on their steps or outgoing exams!!!

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    yes indeed true ..these are usually students that feel the need to blame someone for not achieving their goals.(or parents)....medicine is not easy, should not be, will never be ....otherwise everyone would be a Doc....

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    why does the first time pass rate matter so much?

    ok people, i have a bone to pick. why is everyone so obsessed with the first time pass rate? i was speaking with a professor and a couple of other students yesterday, and the professor, who's been here for a quite a few years now, made some very good points on this issue:
    1)even if the first time pass rate is 90%, if you're in the 10% that fails, you're still in a bad spot. whether you pass or not is upto YOU, not the school. even if this school was upto us/canadian standards, it's your responsibilty to assimilate the information and comprehend it. the professors can only do so much for you.
    2)the first time pass rate is an AVERAGE. the professor i was speaking with (i don't want to say who as he/she asked us not to get him/her involved) said that yes, there were a few weak classes who had 50% first time pass rates, but there have been many strong classes that had 80+% first time pass rate. those few weak classes bring down our average. my point is, the first time pass rate is only important for accredidation purposes only. to us as individual students, it's nothing that will help us in the long run. we should be focusing on studying and learning as much information as possible.
    3)lastly, this professor told us that since he/she has been teaching here, out of the 600 students or so he/she has taught, maybe less than 10% have been dismissed from the school all together. that means if you go to MUA and work hard, you will get to where you want to be eventually. We can complain all we want, but in the end, if we work hard and look at bright side, we will be physicians. We've had students go through here and go on to become chief of staff and we've also had students land some very tough, competitive residency spots. So work hard, and you'll get to where you want! ok, end rant
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    I definitely agree...Going to a Caribbean med school=hard work. Study your butt off, and you'll get where you want to be.
    However, pass rate is also important... a lot of residencies do take students according to the 1st time pass rate of the school on the USMLE... If everybody studies hard, we can get the pass rate up! speaking of which... ::studying::

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    pass rate

    at LSU shreveport the pass rate for the past 2 years 06 and 07 has been about 67% they instituted more stringent shelf exams and only the best are allowed from now on to sit for the exam. Lets face it if MUA got tougher and did not let everyone who finished up take the exam , i could only imagine this forum. We are a great program and dont worry about the pass rate. read first aid for Step 1 and the kaplan books. you will pass

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