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    doc2be1day is offline Member 512 points
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    New Exec Dean quits?

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    I just heard from some profs (good sources, but who I won't name for obvious reasons) the executive dean (Dr S), who only strated about a month ago has already quit! He was around here a few times and many students got to talk with him. His credentials are excellent and it looked like he could really make MUA a great school.

    There's a notice on the administration that Dr F, the previous owner, has been made president of MUA. He has a reputation for interfering in the academics (just ask the now-graduated med 5's about their Kaplan course) and by-passing the whole hierarchy, making deans and prof's angry. Perhaps Dr S quit because he wasn't allowed to perform as an executive dean should.

    In any case it will be a big blow to the school.

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    Well you don't really need a "trusted source", just go to the website, under faculty and where you would once see Dr S picture, you see Dr Nekic now. So its quite obvious that he resigned. If MUA was a new school I would be concerned, however since this school has been around for a few years with people already getting matched for residencies, I think MUA will do just fine. Dr S from what I seen would have been a great Dean for this school. But its a loss we have to accept. On a good note however NY was quite impressed when they came for the site visit, so hopefully the school will keep on progressing further.

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    He quit because of the problems with the med 5 post test. 15 students were supposed to fail, but they complained that there was a cheat sheet going around. The new dean on Nevis decided that since everyone's families were there for white coat and since they had all given up their apartments and were ready to go home, he would just pass them all; cheaters and non-cheaters. This made the exec dean really mad, and he resigned over it. It is kinda sad tho, cuz MUA has been having problems with their clinical sites and he was working on getting some good ones. I guess that won't be happening now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiss View Post
    He quit because of the problems with the med 5 post test. 15 students were supposed to fail, but they complained that there was a cheat sheet going around. The new dean on Nevis decided that since everyone's families were there for white coat and since they had all given up their apartments and were ready to go home, he would just pass them all; cheaters and non-cheaters. This made the exec dean really mad, and he resigned over it. It is kinda sad tho, cuz MUA has been having problems with their clinical sites and he was working on getting some good ones. I guess that won't be happening now.

    Hi, What do you mean "...15 students were supposed to fail..." I hope you don't mean that there is a quota of students that must fail each semester or do you mean these students were caught cheating??

    Also, in regard to clinicals, doesn't MUA have the same clinicals as Saba?
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    what problems specifically was mua having with their clinical sites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC08 View Post
    Hi, What do you mean "...15 students were supposed to fail..." I hope you don't mean that there is a quota of students that must fail each semester or do you mean these students were caught cheating??

    Also, in regard to clinicals, doesn't MUA have the same clinicals as Saba?
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    when grades came out, 15 people had failed the post test. they then went to the dean and complained that there was a cheat sheet, so he passed all of them. for clinicals, MUA has decent clinical sites but not enough of them. lately some students have been sitting for weeks or months at a time waiting for their next rotation.

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    No worries, if you can't pass Kaplan without cheating, you can't pass the USMLE. If you can't pass the USMLE, you can't do clinicals, hence, more clinical rotations for you who do NOT cheat. Problem solved.

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    I Agree

    Quote Originally Posted by 50ishdoc View Post
    No worries, if you can't pass Kaplan without cheating, you can't pass the USMLE. If you can't pass the USMLE, you can't do clinicals, hence, more clinical rotations for you who do NOT cheat. Problem solved.

    We had several people that cheated on the pre-test. I don't see how anyone can sheet on the post test because it was online when I took it. Those that got great scores on the pretest and cheated crashed and burned on the post test.

    What is the passing score these days for the post test?

    There is no cheat sheets on the USMLE. All those people that cheated their way through basic sciences did not pass the USMLE and sitting on a debt of around 80,000 plus dollars and cannot get into clinicals. So many people dropped off the face of the earth after med 5. Not because they did not have clinical sites, but because they could not pass Step 1. Some people transferred to other schools and really messed themselves up - like those that went to St. Chris in England.

    I knew one guy that was allowed to do all his clinicals before passing any step. (He was a SMU student) He was accepted into a new residency program (not part of ERAS) (prematch) and he could not start because he could not pass his USMLE's. Yes, I know this is not SMU's policy - I think it is an excellent school - he just somehow pulled a fast one and got by without the USMLE's first.
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    The passing when I was there 2 semesters ago was at 45%

    And I agree with nevisbutterfly, if you have cheaters for post, let them, it will only hurt them in the long run. THe real exam is designed so that cheaters or pure memorizers of facts don't do well, so it fixes any issues you may have

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    RUBBISH 15 students failed and Dean Passed them.

    Quote Originally Posted by skiss View Post
    when grades came out, 15 people had failed the post test. they then went to the dean and complained that there was a cheat sheet, so he passed all of them. for clinicals, MUA has decent clinical sites but not enough of them. lately some students have been sitting for weeks or months at a time waiting for their next rotation.
    Several of us were standing outside the library (the testing site), as students were finishing. The newer system tells you right when you're done, what your score was. Everyone, including the librarians knew, 1person failed on day one, and I believe one more on day 2.

    I highly doubt this account of wether or why the New Dean Quit. And your basing it on website pictures?

    HAS ANYONE CALLED GARDNER?

    Absurd to say Dean T would simply pass them, flying in the face of school policy.

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