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    State medical boards/foreign country lists of approved or disapproved schools

    State medical boards/foreign country lists of approved or disapproved schools and approved for clinicals
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    HOW TO CHECK TO SEE IF A SCHOOL IS RECOGNIZED BY ITS HOME COUNTRY:
    WHO list of recognized medical schools by country
    http://www.who.int/hrh/wdms/en/index.html
    FAIMER/IMED list of medical schools by region/country
    http://imed.ecfmg.org/search.asp
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    LIST OF STATE/COUNTRY MEDICAL BOARDs that approve or disapprove medical
    schools and list them
    Texas approved list (you don't have to supply additional documents for these schools)
    http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/professionals/physicians/applicants/STDNHPSE.rtf
    Kansas approved list
    KSBHA -
    North Dakota Disapproved list
    http://www.ndbomex.com/DisapprovedMedSchools.pdf
    California list of approved schools
    Welcome to the Medical Board of California - Medical Schools Recognized by the Medical Board of California
    California list of disapproved schools
    http://www.medbd.ca.gov/applicant/sc...napproved.html
    Indiana list of disapproved medical schools
    http://www.in.gov/pla/bandc /mlbi/instinfo.html
    Alabama list of schools that require additional documentation
    http://www.albme.org/Default.aspx?Page=PysicianApplication
    Oregon List of disapproved schools (some medical in list)
    http://www.ossc.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html
    Michigan list of disapproved schools (some medical in list)
    www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf

    Singapore list of approved foreign medical schools
    http://www.getforme.com/previous2003...andMS_more.htm

    UK list of unacceptable medical qualifications
    http://www.gmc-uk.org/education/unde...uate_level.asp

    Malaysia list of approved offshore medical schools
    http://www.mma.org.my/info/recognised_colleges.htm

    US Dept of Ed approved accreditation agencies
    http://www.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/list/ncfmea.html
    Pakistan list of medical schools with deficiencies
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_25-11-2003_pg7_36
    Mexican agency that approves medical schools and maintains a list
    http://www.comaem.org.mx/
    UK article on medical education with data on some schools status in terms of recognition
    http://www.gmc-uk.org/education/undergraduate/studying _medicine_at_undergraduate_level.asp
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    LIST OF APPROVED SCHOOLS FOR CLINICALS:
    Florida Commission on Independent Education which approves offshore medical schools to do clinicals in Florida
    http://www.firn.edu/doe/cie/
    NY list of schools qualified to do more than 12 weeks of clinical training
    http://www.op.nysed.gov/medforms.htm

    LIST OF OFFSHORE MEDICAL REGULATORY AGENCIES
    IAMRA

    GMC List of regulatory agencies to check validity of medical schools
    http://webcache.gmc-uk.org/cgs/cgsIndex.jsp
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    The problem is, many medical boards have stated that basic science must be attended to in residence. This means, you must physically be in Samoa for your entire basic science portions. Otherwise, you are NOT licensible.

    I have not regretted it. This <b>IS NOT</b> an online education. Yes, we receive our case studies and homework assignments online,
    Yes, it is ON-LINE. Your course material is distributed via internet, regardless of what you are required to read. Anyone can "list" over the internet an impressive "required text book"... that's not the issue. The mere fact that you are not on a physical campus in Samoa means your education is on-line -- ASK ANY MEDICAL BOARD in the US. Many medical boards are now requiring you to submit your PASSPORT to proof that you were actually in the host country (Samoa in this case) FOR THE ENTIRE DURATION of your basic sciences.

    Now, your transcript MUST clearly stated that you did NOT attend your basic science "in residence," and that your instruction was received over the internet with you physically in the US. If your transcript is "templated" in a fashion to make it look like you were physically in Samoa taking classes sitting in a classroom/lab, then it's consider fraud, and will bar you from licensure for good. And if your transcript is honest and showing you took classes over the internet with "required textbooks" -- well, most medical boards have come out and say that it's not acceptable, and students in these formats will not be licensed.

    Bottom line -- if you want to be licensed anywhere in the US, you MUST physically sit in a classroom/lab in the country where the medical school is located for your basic science years. Anything else -- doesn't matter how you spin it... "receiving homework via internet...etc" -- is considered on-line education. And medical boards are resorting to checking passports now. So, this model of OUSM may be good elsewhere, but NOT if you want to be licensed anywhere in the US.

    BTW, I am not judging, in anyway, the quality of education OUSM provides, as I have no first hand knowledge. I'm simply commenting on the reality of medical licensures in the various US jurisdictions.

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    I have checked with my state, and there is no problem with my OUM education in Colorado, as long as I meet the criteria for licensing of international students here. I have checked the licensing boards of many other states and have found that OUM is not excluded from their licensing criteria. There are a handful of states that currently do not accept the OUM curriculum, and I know for a fact that OUM's policy is not to accept students from those states until the states policies are ammended to license students educated under the OUM curriculum. Oceania University of Medicine is keen to play by the rules in order to provide the best education they can for the students and to prevent difficulties when the time comes for those students to be licensed. It is my experience that OUM has the student's best interests in mind, and does not want to compromise the student's ability to use their education in their future careers.

    How do I know this? When I was accepted into the OUM program, I was living in Maryland. Shortly before starting school, I moved to California, and was informed by OUM that I would not be permitted to receive my OUM education in California- even in the basic sciences. This was not a problem for me, as the move was only temporary and I was seeking employment in Colorado. When I facilitated my move, OUM was helpful in getting me in touch with other students local to the area and helping me to find a mentor local to me.

    As for your comments about classroom time, our basic sciences education does involve classroom work for every single block. As I stated in my previous post, students meet several times a week with physician mentors to go over our course materials and homework. These are face to face sessions, one on one, with physicians who are currently licensed and practicing in a specialty field in our state of residence. In addition to their primary practice, these physicians are also OUM employees, paid by the university for time spent educating students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUM_Student
    I have checked with my state, and there is no problem with my OUM education in Colorado, as long as I meet the licensing criteria for licensing of international students here. I have checked the licensing boards of many other states and have found that OUM is not excluded from their licensing criteria. There are a handful of states that currently do not accept the OUM curriculum, and I know for a fact that OUM's policy is not to accept students from those states until the states policies are ammended to license students educated under the OUM curriculum. Oceania University of Medicine is keen to play by the rules in order to provide the best education they can for the students and to prevent difficulties when the time comes for those students to be licensed. It is my experience that OUM has the student's best intentions in mind, and does not want to compromise the student's ability to use their education in their future careers.

    How do I know this? When I was accepted into the OUM program, I was living in Maryland. Shortly before starting school, I moved to California, and was informed by OUM that I would not be permitted to receive my OUM education in California- even in the basic sciences. This was not a problem for me, as the move was only temporary and I was seeking employment in Colorado. When I facilitated my move, OUM was helpful in getting me in touch with other students local to the area and helping me to find a mentor local to me.

    As for your comments about classroom time, our basic sciences education does involve classroom work for every single block. As I stated in my previous post, students meet several times a week with physician mentors to go over our course materials and homework. These are face to face sessions, one on one, with physicians who are currently licensed and practicing in a specialty field in our state of residence. In addition to their primary practice, these physicians are also OUM employees, paid by the university for time spent educating students.
    Everyone has the right to risk their money and time in whatever way they want. Suggest you review the meeting notes of the State of Colorado medical board and look at their licensing decisions a bit and see if you see any online students being licensed there. May be enlightening.
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    Sorry to tell you this, you are in for a VERY RUDE AWAKENING when you apply for licensure.

    I have checked with my state, and there is no problem with my OUM education in Colorado, as long as I meet the criteria for licensing of international students here.
    CO does not have problem with you "attending OUM classes" in CO because it has no laws prohibiting private doctors "mentoring" anyone. This is NOT the same as recognizing OUM as a school. (Kinda like St. Chris can operate in UK as a business and physically "teach" in UK, but under UK law, it's a private business, and NOT recognized as a real school.) This is NOT the same as your eligibility for licensure. The key point her eis "meeting criteria for licensure of IMG's" -- and CO does NOT recognize on-line education. Again, OUM's model is the same as IUHS, a fraudulent school. Physical attendence means you MUST be in Samoa, NOT CO. Going to local physicians for mentoring/case discussion DOES NOT cut it. You need to wake up, your basic science is ON-LINE, and does NOT meet licensing criteria. Medical boards will not tell you definitively whether or not they will license graduates from your school until someone from your school actually applies. As far as I know, OUM has no licensed grads in CO (or any state for that matter). And guess what, someone has already called CO Medical Board and described in detail models used by OUM and similar schools (On-line distribution of material with reading list so that students can remain in the US, holding jobs, while attending basic science, using/paying local physicians to be mentors so students can go to physicians offices to discuss cases and shadow physicians as a part of basic science) -- guess what, this is NOT acceptable to CO board for licensure. You may be able to "take classes" in CO, this is not the same as being able to be licensed. OUM is not operating in CO as a medical school (and should not claim to be, otherwise, say hi to your cellmate).

    I have checked the licensing boards of many other states and have found that OUM is not excluded from their licensing criteria. There are a handful of states that currently do not accept the OUM curriculum,
    Most states do not have "exclusion lists" of foreign medical schools. This SHOULD NOT be taken to imply their approval of your school or your ability to obtain licensure in those states. In fact, most medical boards will not tell you one way or the other until a graduate from your school has actually applied for licensure -- this is when the education is scrutinized. And using IUHS as a precedent (similar model, abeit a very poorly run example of the model, I'm not saying OUM is of similar quality, merely that the basic model is the same) -- no medical boards we know of will license graduates from this model of education.
    By calling medical boards and asking if OUM is "excluded" from licensure means absolutely nothing. Most medical boards give you the stock answer that OUM is not excluded (because they don't have an exclusion list), and will be vague and tell you that as long as you meet criteria, you are "OK." Well, OUM's model does NOT meet criteria. You will find out when you actually apply for licensure.

    Sorry to say this, you are in for a VERY RUDE AWAKENING if you think you have any chance of licensure in CO, or anywhere in the US for that matter. Incidentally, CO is one of the tougher states for IMG's in general. Keep your current job, you are going to need it when you graduate from OUM... sorry to be blunt... as a med school faculty in a US med school, I've been to too many licensing-related meetings....

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    Agreed but...

    You went overboard with your comment..."OUM is not operating in CO as a medical school (and should not claim to be, otherwise, say hi to your cellmate). "

    The student does not go to jail for such a claim, and second, that is provided you can go through the extradition process for such a thing against the owners of any school that might make such a claim, not as easy as you imply. Don't make it so dramatic, good for a TV drama though.

    We all agree to one thing...CO medical licensing using this method of instruction is out of the question and, OUM is not operating in Colorado. I do not think they have made such a claim, unless someone can show where they did so.

    Not cheering for anyone, just trying to make some clarifications.

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    you can argue that since instruction is being done in CO by mentors acting as defacto instructors of the school that there is teaching being done by the school in CO....
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    Not likely

    No, if the mentors are not retained or are working for OUM, IUHS or whatever internet program it might be. They are functioning more in a role of coaches than anything else. It won't fly.



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    you can argue that since instruction is being done in CO by mentors acting as defacto instructors of the school that there is teaching being done by the school in CO....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian
    No, if the mentors are not retained or are working for OUM, IUHS or whatever internet program it might be. They are functioning more in a role of coaches than anything else. It won't fly.
    either way it won't fly for licensing in colorado.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian
    No, if the mentors are not retained or are working for OUM, IUHS or whatever internet program it might be. They are functioning more in a role of coaches than anything else. It won't fly.
    they are not only mentors/instructors but they also proctor the exams and are responsible for the grades so they are acting on behalf of the school...
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    No,

    They are not acting in behalf of the school unless they are under contract, any kind of contract. That will be an assumption on our part. However, if their agreement are similar to those of IUHS (and I have seen those) there is no lanugage in them that even says that the mentor is under an independent contract with the school, it is a contract between the student and the mentor or coach, they work independently, not the school, mentor off the hook, school too. There must be an unequivocable (business)agreement between the mentor and the school to make it implicit.




    Quote Originally Posted by rrod
    they are not only mentors/instructors but they also proctor the exams and are responsible for the grades so they are acting on behalf of the school...

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