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    Which states currently use California lists

    this is a good question that user PM'd me with and that has been randomly discussed in multiple fora but not in one particular place that perhaps deserves a thread of its own..

    with the users permission to repost, the questions are below..

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    I have 2 questions that I haven't been able to get a concrete answer for:

    Which states use the California Approved List for granting Licensure?
    ie if you are not on the approved list then you cannot get licensed in that state right away (either you will never be eligible or you will have to get board certified or get licensed in different state first and will be eligible only after that) .

    Which states DENY licensure if you are on a California DISAPPROVED list?
    ie if you are on the cali disapproved list, which states will not license you, or which states will scrutinize your application more or which states will being on the cali disapproved list create more obstacles in getting licensed (even if eventually you can get licensed there after you have proved you are on the list erroneously)

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    Oregon rule changes recognizes the list, not ACCM anywhere. if the country is listed on this list or California it is recognized. azskeptic

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    according to NCFMEA website ACCM is listed as comparable to it's own standards.
    National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (NCFMEA)

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    The PDF states:

    The foreign medical school from which the applicant graduated may be considered equivalent if it is on the list of medical schools recognized by the Medical Board of California or if chartered in one of the countries determined by the US Department of Education’s National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (NCFMEA) to use accreditation standards comparable to those used to accredit medical schools in the United States, and is accredited by that country’s
    accrediting body.


    And the NCFMEA website states that :
    The countries listed below have been reviewed by the NCFMEA and found to use standards to accredit their medical schools that are comparable to the standards used to accredit medical schools in the United States. The date(s) in parentheses is (are) the date(s) of the Committee's decision(s) of comparability.


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    accm

    accm also works in some other countries that aren't recognized and the schools in those countries, even though recognized by accm, wouldn't be recognized.

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    The PDF states:

    The foreign medical school from which the applicant graduated may be considered equivalent if it is on the list of medical schools recognized by the Medical Board of California or if chartered in one of the countries determined by the US Department of Educationís National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (NCFMEA) to use accreditation standards comparable to those used to accredit medical schools in the United States, and is accredited by that countryís
    accrediting body.

    And the NCFMEA website states that :
    The countries listed below have been reviewed by the NCFMEA and found to use standards to accredit their medical schools that are comparable to the standards used to accredit medical schools in the United States. The date(s) in parentheses is (are) the date(s) of the Committee's decision(s) of comparability.


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    Well that's because the only non cali ACCM approved school is St. MAtts and whose students are exempt from Oregon due to their disapproval.

    But if ACCM itself were to accredit a school that is unapproved, would that not constitute as being valid?
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    act

    Read the rest of the act. if a school is unapproved by someone (another state for instance) ACCMs approval wouldn't help. Incidentally some states will also argue that the schools must be accredited by the official agency, CAAM, which under CARICOM must accredit.

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    Well that's because the only non cali ACCM approved school is St. MAtts and whose students are exempt from Oregon due to their disapproval.

    But if ACCM itself were to accredit a school that is unapproved, would that not constitute as being valid?
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    The Oregon PDF clearly states that an ACCM approved school works if it's not Cali approved. That's unapproved. SMU is disapproved, which is a different story.

    Thus any schools that have ACCM approval would be fine, unless ACCM is discredited by NCFMEA. But I guess the pdf also states that the country's accrediting body would need to accredit the school as well, which in my guess would be CARICOM accrediting body, correct?
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    Accm

    it doesn't not mention ACCM..it only says approved accreditation agency for the country. If a school in St. Kitts or St. Lucia chose to use ACCM it wouldn't work since those countries aren't on the list nor approved by California. Understand what i am saying..it is the country, not the accreditation agency you have to consider first......azskeptic

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiz77 View Post
    The Oregon PDF clearly states that an ACCM approved school works if it's not Cali approved. That's unapproved. SMU is disapproved, which is a different story.

    Thus any schools that have ACCM approval would be fine, unless ACCM is discredited by NCFMEA. But I guess the pdf also states that the country's accrediting body would need to accredit the school as well, which in my guess would be CARICOM accrediting body, correct?
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    This is the question of the hour. ACCM accredits Saba AUC and SMU. It has approved all 3 schools. It has recently given a 6 year approval to smu.The whole point of the FSMB mandating states to adopt stricter guidelines is due to the fact that that there wasnt adequate regulation of these caribbean schools. The ACCM has been approved by the ncfmea as a valid accrediting agency. If thats the case California or thereby any other states approval is not necessary as the accm would substitute as an equivalent accrediting body.
    I spoke to the ncfmea they told me an approval from one of its approved accrediting bodies may allow that school to apply for federal aid but has nothing to do with licensure.I just don't get the point of the ncfmea or accm if their approval holds no weight in terms of licensure. Something has got to give.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiz77 View Post
    Well that's because the only non cali ACCM approved school is St. MAtts and whose students are exempt from Oregon due to their disapproval.

    But if ACCM itself were to accredit a school that is unapproved, would that not constitute as being valid?
    This is what SMU has been stating and hoping might come to fruition.According to the ncfmea standards they dont need a california visit to approve their school since the school already has the accm to accredit it. Other carribean schools might require california etc since their accreditation committee might not be deemed equivalent. That being said the fact remains that the school did invite california over 5 years ago and at the time was dissapproved.They will need to find some way to remove their name from that list however unjustly it may be to have been placed there in the first place.
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    ncfmea

    ncfmea's role is just to be the gatekeeper for who gets govt guaranteed loans,eh?

    SMU's problem is the disapproval in California. many states have systems that if you are disapproved in one state, it triggers similiar actions. That is the case with the new Oregon regulation being proposed for instance. Accreditation agency for most of the English speaking areas in the Carib. is now CAAM-HP which under CARICOM agreements that these countries signed--private agencies like accm won't last is my guess

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    This is the question of the hour. ACCM accredits Saba AUC and SMU. It has approved all 3 schools. It has recently given a 6 year approval to smu.The whole point of the FSMB mandating states to adopt stricter guidelines is due to the fact that that there wasnt adequate regulation of these caribbean schools. The ACCM has been approved by the ncfmea as a valid accrediting agency. If thats the case California or thereby any other states approval is not necessary as the accm would substitute as an equivalent accrediting body.
    I spoke to the ncfmea they told me an approval from one of its approved accrediting bodies may allow that school to apply for federal aid but has nothing to do with licensure.I just don't get the point of the ncfmea or accm if their approval holds no weight in terms of licensure. Something has got to give.
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