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    NY/NJ ACGME vs. AOA doesn't matter

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    I called both boards today and was told the same thing: if our clinical rotations are ACGME or AOA, there is no problem with obtaining a license or residency in the states of NY/NJ. So blue/green doesn't matter in these states; your rotations do not have to be all green.

    Anyone hear the same, or have I misunderstood something? I know asking for specific info on here is sometimes suicidal...but hey, what can I do? Discuss!

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    it was my understanding that you can't do more than 18 weeks of AOA in NY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by diabeticmedic View Post
    I called both boards today and was told the same thing: if our clinical rotations are ACGME or AOA, there is no problem with obtaining a license or residency in the states of NY/NJ. So blue/green doesn't matter in these states; your rotations do not have to be all green.

    Anyone hear the same, or have I misunderstood something? I know asking for specific info on here is sometimes suicidal...but hey, what can I do? Discuss!

    Arent ACGME rotations, green rotations ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOCplucinski View Post
    it was my understanding that you can't do more than 18 weeks of AOA in NY?
    I read that it was 12 (on forums like this) but when I spoke to a woman at NY, she instantly knew what I was asking and answered as if she had been asked 5 times that day. In NJ, the woman did not know and I was put on hold for about 5 minutes; someone else came on the phone and answered...so I am hoping it was someone who knew his stuff.

    I never know what to believe because I've heard 400 things. I wish there was some easy way to find out the truth!

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    this should help answer questions about ACGME vs AOA rotations. ACGME rotations are greenbook, but for an AOA (American Osteopathic Association) rotation to count it needs to have a residency program attached to the rotation that the student is doing his/her clerkship in. Therefore AOA rotations are NOT greenbook rotations but if they have a corresponding residency attached with the rotation then most all states should consider it as an equivalent. In fact heres an old post on that subject: http://www.valuemd.com/aua-medical-s...rotations.html

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    Can anyone else verify this information? I also called these two boards (NY/NJ) and was told the same information, but some how I feel as if every time I talk to some one, they have NO CLUE what they are talking about and just say whatever to give me the run through.

    I was offered AOA surgery and AOA ob/gyn at Wyckoff and I want to make sure that it does not hurt my future chances to practice around the NJ, NY, MD, PA area.

    I've read through most of the threads on this forum about this topic but I still don't seem to have a clear cut answer. Can anyone drop some knowledge?

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    yes

    Quote Originally Posted by diabeticmedic View Post
    I called both boards today and was told the same thing: if our clinical rotations are ACGME or AOA, there is no problem with obtaining a license or residency in the states of NY/NJ. So blue/green doesn't matter in these states; your rotations do not have to be all green.

    Anyone hear the same, or have I misunderstood something? I know asking for specific info on here is sometimes suicidal...but hey, what can I do? Discuss!

    Yes, i heard the same thing about NY (don't know about NJ cause didn't speak to their board). In most states it does not matter at all. The ones that are more stricter are Cali and the states that follow Cali like TX and New Mexico, etc. However NY does have a 12 week rule where a foreign medical school student cannot do more than 12 weeks rotation outside the degree granting country in order to do a residency there. So for example student X is a foreign medical school student in medical school Y in the caribbean, he/ she cannot do more than 12 weeks rotation during his/ her 3rd/ 4th year in another country (like the U.S.). If she/ he does than they cannot do a residency in NY, but you can get licensed there after doing residency somewhere else. (exceptions to this rule are certain caribbean medical schools that they list in their website).

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    hi

    Quote Originally Posted by wAyRadikull View Post
    Can anyone else verify this information? I also called these two boards (NY/NJ) and was told the same information, but some how I feel as if every time I talk to some one, they have NO CLUE what they are talking about and just say whatever to give me the run through.

    I was offered AOA surgery and AOA ob/gyn at Wyckoff and I want to make sure that it does not hurt my future chances to practice around the NJ, NY, MD, PA area.

    I've read through most of the threads on this forum about this topic but I still don't seem to have a clear cut answer. Can anyone drop some knowledge?

    Hi, with regard to Penn... I also wanted to do my clinical rotations, residency and get licensed there so I emailed the board. They emailed me back this : "
    Students who are graduates of a foreign or international medical school cannot do clinical rotations in Pennsylvania.

    Section 2 of the Medical Practice Act (63 P.S. 422.2), defines clinical clerk as "An undergraduate student in good standing in an accredited medical college who is assigned to provide medical services in a hospital by the medical college and the hospital." An accredited medical college is an institution of higher learning which has been accredited, by the LCME, as an agency to provide courses in the art and science of medicine and surgery and empowered to grant academic degrees in medicine. International medical schools are unaccredited by definition. Accordingly, their medical students are not authorized to engage in clinical clerkships in the Commonwealth. Section 11 of the Medical Practice Act (Act) defines the responsibilities of a clinical clerk. Individuals who perform clinical duties as students or clinical clerks who are not authorized to do so may be subject to charges of unlicensed practice. The Board generally will not give credit for clinical study obtained illegally. Additionally, physicians directing them may be subject to charges of aiding the unlicensed practice. Institutions that authorize this practice could lose JCOAH standing and be subject to Department of Health Review. Because the restriction is statutorily based the Board lacks authority to change it.
    Nothing herein may be construed as legal advice or pre-approval of conduct. The information provided is intended to serve only as an informal discussion of the questions presented. It is recommended that you seek private legal counsel before embarking on any course of conduct."

    Thus, don't do any clinical rotations in Penn as a foreign medical school student unless you want to get fined, charged for illegal activity or never licensed in the U.S.

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