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    St. Luke School of Medicine - How good/bad is this school. Any input?

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    I am thinking of attending St. Luke SOM for one very important reason (well several actually). One thing is that I actually spoke with the president, Dr. Dolphin, who is a graduate of Spartan (and yes, I am aware of their reputation), and he basically said that my 'problems', if you have read some of my other posts, then you know what I'm talking about, wouldn't be a problem with going to school at St. Luke. Also, they allow their M.D. programs students to take most, if not all, of their Basic Science courses online. I am just wondering what the reputation of this school is and does it really matter in the end, as long as it is legitimate enough to allow us to sit for the boards, then isn't ANY medical school worth going to...my point being this...if you want to learn the information that is neccessary to practice medicine, you will learn it, school or no school...but it's the degree granting institute that grants us the M.D. that makes it possible for us to become licensed to practice medicine (I mean, heck, I already probably know 85% of what is neccessary to pass the USMLE I and II's, so all I really need, you could argue, is for someone or some school to grant me a 'legitimate' M.D.). Anyway, I was just looking for some input from some other SLSOM students or any others with an opinion on them. Thank you so much for listening to me and I look forward to reading your posts.

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    Take a look at this thread: http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?t=5847

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omne
    ... Also, they allow their M.D. programs students to take most, if not all, of their Basic Science courses online. ...
    I have heard/read about online Basic Sciences courses. It seems you will have problems getting licensure should you go that route.

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    That's what I was thinking.

    I was wondering about that also, but I spoke to Dolphin, and he made it seem as though there wouldn't be any problems....I think his exact words were something like this: "We have been looked at and certified and looked back into and certified and certified...you couldn't get any more certified and looked into than we have been". I'm not sure what that means but it seems like he's saying that since they are fairly new they have had to undergo extensive review (or maybe I'm just too trusting and naive' when it comes to this sort of thing). Anyway, are there any OTHER schools that would allow you to do at least part of your ** online? Does anybody know of any schools that would? Also, regarding SLSOM, Dr. Dolphin made it sound as though he wouldn't have any problem whatsoever with my convictions (as far as letting me go to school there), and in fact, he made it seem like they were primarily interested in just getting students in (thus getting their money), which I guess from my viewpoint is fine, since I'm kind of between a rock and a hard place when it comes to getting accepted to a medical school due to my convictions. I guess my main question is this: I realize that all of these foreign med schools are pretty much the same regarding the acceptance/money issues (except for SGU, ROSS, and AUC...no offence intended there), but I am just wondering which one would be the best choice. For instance, for only $3,500 per trimester, you can take your Basic Sciences at SLSOM's Puna, India campus and that will include room and board...I mean, considering the other schools, that sounds like a good deal to me. Also, SLSOM offers a straight from High School to M.D. program which can be completed in about 6 1/2 years in which you receive your B.Sc. after the first 2 1/2 years of study, and then study for 18 more months and finish your Basic Sciences and at that point be elligable to receive your M.Sc. degree in Medical Sciences. Then you go do your clinicals and voila', you are an M.D. This sounds like a good deal to me, you can even get a Ph.D. for doing a dissertation and 2 extra years of study...the dissertation work must partially be done during your Clinicals....but in any case, you end up being a Mud-Phud. My concern though is with the residency requirements needed to get your license if you take the ** part online....can you take PART of them online and still be okay regarding licensure...I mean, surely the US Medical Board doesn't require that ALL of your work be done on-site....That's a good question for someone.....Does anyone know how much of your schooling must be completed on-site for you to get your U.S. License? Also, I noticed the apparent contradiction in Dr. Arnett's resume'...how do you get your M.D. from a school that only just started? Unless it's because he got some sort of advanced standing, almost honorary type M.D. since he apparently also received a M.D. from Open International University for Complementary Medicine, Sri Lanka, along with his N.D. (Doctor of Naturopathy) from Clayton College of Natural Health, Birmingham, Alabama. This is another thing that disturbs me about them, there seem to be a lot of N.D.'s along with those M.D.'s. I'm not to keen on the whole naturopathy gig....it seems a bit like being a chiropractor or chinese doctor to me....or even a Native American Healer!!!!! I want a damn M.D.!!!!!!!!! The REAL deal...not some hocus pocus degree. Oh well, that's enough for now....I would appreciate any feed back on the information contained within this post also. Thank you!

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    re.

    my advice is this: don't let your bad situation lead you to a bad decision.

    i don't know anything about st lukes. but, you made a very good point. all the schools that take foriegn students to make money want to fill the seats. some schools (auc, ross, st. georges) have enough good students applying to be somewhat selective. but, many of the other schools have plenty of room, and they want as many students as possible. while this is not a bad thing of itself, it may lead to schools making offers, promises, etc...that the school cannot actually provide.

    as for internet education, it is generally agreed that there will be few, if any opportunities to practice in the states if any portion of you education was completed via distance learning at a foreign school. if you are in doubt, simply call state boards, and describe the program you are interested in (don't just give a school name!) and see what they say.

    going to a IMED listed school and sitting for the USMLE and passing it are two very important peices of the puzzle. there are hundreds of schools out there that can get you that far. but, remember, the goal is to practice and get a residency. i would at least attend a school that has shown it can do that, and put you in touch with grads.

    bottom line: don't settle. go to the best school you can. if you are having trouble due to legal issues, the problems will likely be even larger when it comes time to apply for a license. med schools will be far more flexible, because at the end of the day they want your tuition. state boards are not so financially involved, so fix it before you go to school, or find out exactly where you can work. then, go to the best school that you can get into that will get you there...

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    Thanks!

    Sound advice Neil...thank you. The more I look at St. Luke, the less I like what I see. Watch them turn out to be the next Ross or AUC in another 10 or 20 years, and I could've gotten my degree from them now...lol!!! That would be my kind of luck!

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    st luke

    don't worry...st luke won't be the next ross..ha ha..... the MD degree he has cost $75....it is a masters degree not an MD....read

    www.internetmedicalschool.homestead.com

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    Whoops!

    Oooops....you're right

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    Regarding licensure...

    I wanted to address the issue of getting a license to practice medicine when part of your medical education was done online or through some other type of correspondence. I spoke with Dr. Dolphin again today (for those of you who are interested in St. Luke SOM, Dr. Dolphin, who is the president, is very accessable and willing to talk to you over the phone at length about the programs at his school and answer any questions you have). I asked him point blank about the issue of getting licensed when part of your medical education was completed through online courses, and according to him, only four states in the U.S. have ANY sort of provision regulating that situation...one of them WAS California, which as we all know, is notoriously difficult to deal with if you are a FMG or IMG. I put in a call to the Georgia Composite State Board of Medical Examiners, and am still waiting to hear back from them regarding this issue. But...according to Dr. Dolphin, the idea that you cannot get licensed because part of your training was done through correspondence is in his own words "complete hooey". He said that not only is it not true for foreign medical schools, but for most American medical schools as well. He said that it is not uncommon at all for some medical school coursework to be done online. Maybe I am being naive, but he is VERY believable and doesn't seem to be trying to just SELL his medical school to me. I will be interested in hearing what the Georgia Board has to say regarding this matter and in all honesty, what they say will probably be the determining factor in whether or not I decide to go to school a SLSOM. Also, for those interested, Dr. Dolphin said that they had graduated either 27 or 28 medical students so far and that they had (I think) about 280 students currently, approximately half of them from the U.S. Again, maybe I am naive', but I believe this guy...he is very open about what they do....they WILL let most anyone into their school of medicine, like he said, and give them a shot, but staying there and graduating from there is up to the student....this to me seems fair, and to be honest, I think should be the way ALL medical or professional schools operate....let a prospective student in and the see whether they are capable of doing the work or not....if they can graduate with a M.D., pass all of the required licensing exams, get a residency and do well in it, pass their board certifications and the like, then they DESERVE to be called Doctor. Otherwise, I don't care if you went to Harvard, you don't deserve the title. Any opinions?

    Omne

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    Are you doing some basic science courses online? Where are you going to do the rest? India? (What about student visa needed for India?)

    This school has their charters from both Liberia and Ghana. Has the civil war in Liberia stopped?


    As for doing their courses online, compare them to IUHS. Note the problems IUHS have.


    Also, you should ask Dolphin for reference names of his graduates that did get their unrestricted licensure.

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