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    LAST CHANCE FOR MED SCHOOL IN SEP 2003 FOR GRADUATES/SCHOOL LEAVERS

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    Howdy everyone

    Hows is it going? I am very new to these forums and I have been interested a lot by the discussions being carried out here. I am a student who has completed a BSc with basic knowledge in chemistry, biology, physics and mathematics. I didnít do too well in MCATs and have been rejected from interview. I had given up all hope until I was looking up this site:

    www.iime.org

    This site has got all the Medical Schools in the world. As a typical student I do not have that $$ to spend and cannot get a student loan. As a result of this, I am unable to apply to the Caribbean Schools. There are a few Medical Schools that I have been accepted to, in various countries, and Id like to share with you all which ones that I have been admitted to. Feel free to access the sites I have shown below. The information is applicable to graduates and school leavers. This is going to be a long post, so I hope you are all ready for some of my hrs of research These programs in the Caribbean are 4 yrs and they are very good from what I have heard. However, I donít believe that I can pursue everything in 4 years and I have gained entry to 5-6 yr programs outside USA, with GPA of only 3.0. All the programs listed below I have got entry to and all are WHO approved. IN ADDITION TO THIS, I RECOMMEND U APPLY RITE NOW FOR SEP 2003. THE ADMISSIONS TO THESE PROGRAMS ARE ONCE A YEAR IN SEPTEMBER EXCEPT AISM

    Russia:

    Kursk State Medical University
    http://ksmu.kursknet.ru/

    6 years program in English with some Russian requiredÖ $5500/yr tuition fees

    People's Friendship University of Russia, Faculty of Medicine
    http://med.pfu.edu.ru/

    6 years, $5000/yr all textbooks provided, accommodation, meals, and preparation for USMLE Step 1 and 2. included
    English language+ need to learn Russian. (for clinicals) Established in 1950s

    Ukraine:

    I have been giving this one some serious thought. A very established institution with ties to all the big med schools in the world.
    (In Europe, UK: Bristol, Ophtalmological Hospital, Leicester University of London, Ludvig Institute for Cancer Research London, Royal College of Family Doctors London UniversityUSA: Abbott Pharmaceuticals, Albert Einstein School of Medicine Buffalo, ****** Filmor Hospital Cleveland University School of Medicine Colorado University School of Medicine Kent University School of Medicine ****** Jefferson University Washington, Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates Washington, International Research and Exchange (IREX) Agency Washington, National Institute for Heart and Lung Diseases World Federation of Ukrainian Medical Associations Yale University School of Medicine)
    Program is 6 years in English but downside is to learn Ukrainian for clinicals. $3500/yr tuition, accommodation available. Established in 1784. Very reputable.

    Danylo Halytsky Lviv State Medical University, Faculty of Medicine

    http://www.meduniv.lviv.ua/index.en.html
    http://www.meduniv.lviv.ua/guide/index.htm


    Guyana:

    In South America There are 2 medical schools here. I am leaning toward this option as it is close to USA and it is cheap.
    University of Guyana, Faculty of Health Sciences - School of Medicine

    http://www.sdnp.org.gy/uog/

    5yrs programme, fully English (2 yrs basic sciences + 3yrs clinical sciences) Fees are $6000/yr and there are halls of residence available. Class size=25. I have done some reading on this country, and it really needs health care professionals. So this is my driving force to serve a country like this one. Established in 1985.

    American International School of Medicine
    http://www.aism.edu

    This is also in Guyana. Another option as it offers rotations in USA and UK, 4 yrs English.. (Just like Caribbean med school such as Ross, AUC, and Saba) Tuition a lil expensive though L 18K/yr



    I would just like to conclude by saying that whatever program you are currently studying or are likely to enroll in I wish u all the very best. Choosing a med school is always difficult and I am still making up my mind between Uni of Guyana and Ukraine. Any suggestions/questions. Please address to:
    [email protected]
    Good LUCK

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    some comments

    Hi swiper,

    I have 2 main points:

    1. For the Eastern European/Russian medical schools, you should note that the English-language program may not be recognized by some states. For example, California recognizes the programs in the native language of Charles University of Czech Republic but not the English-language program.
    If you are going to the Ukraine and are thinking of returning to the USA, you should really check with the state licensing board (in the state you are interested in) to see if you are eligible with that degree.
    Does anybody know about how Canada may treat the degree?
    How about the country where you may end up practicing?

    2. University of Guyana does not have the above problem. But you should check to see if you can get a Guyana medical license to practice and work/resident visa. I would be interested to know.

    You may want to check out the living conditions and political/social environment to see if you are comfortable with it.

    Looks like you did quite a bit of work and spent some money to apply to all these schools.


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    Hello,

    Curious, why is it that you can't get a loan ? I don't have money either, in addition, I have prior school debt as well. Have you even tried ? And with who ?

    You mention that you don't have 4 years to pursue this with, or something like that ? What do you mean ?

    I'm not sure that I would go tipping my hat to the entire caribbean, each place has their own problems, but I would make sure as dt said, check with the licensing boards of where you want to practice and other folks that can hamstring you in getting a license. I know nothing about overseas med schools, but if they give "us" a hard time in some states, I don't think the overseas med schools are going to be any different, perhaps worse if there is some language issue that dt also made mention of.
    Sometimes in life we have to be honest with ourselves in what it is in our best interest, even though it goes against our "want's" or egos.

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    follow-up comment

    swiper,

    Even though these caribbean medical schools says they are 4 years long, some of these school will let you decelerate and let you stretch out the education longer by reducing the course load per semester.


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    whoa easy there buddy

    hey swiper
    lets assume for a sec that you are actually a legit student ( which i for one dont belive) , but lets say you are , in that case sonny boy , you need help,
    you are actually recomending russian and ukrainian univs , for people who want to go to the US,
    well here's some adivice from a guy whos been there for the past 3 years, the english language progarms at these univs are an absolute waste of time and money, the teachers dont speak english, in my 3 years there i met only 3 teachers who could have passed TOEFL, the administration dosnt are about anything but the money , i mean they have given addmission in the english medium program to students who needed a translator during the interview(which was in english) ,
    i mean i could go on and on about it, but the bottom line is that if you want to practise anywhere in the world (except the former USSR) you will have to write an exam to get a licence, and some states do not recognise tham at all.
    also if you think you can pass the USMLE after studying from there then think again , they cant teach you enough to pass local exams forget the MLE,
    listen there is a long list of facts and true solid fatcs about not going there , and if anyone's interested PM me personally, i can give you the emails of other students you can talk too

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    state licensing

    Hi again. This post has a few replies so i am going to try and address all the points. Firstly dt and emerson, thanks for your posts. Where do you study? I already have checked with all the licensing boards for all the states. Clearly none of them have a problem because I can get the ECFMG certification by clearing USMLE, CSA, TOEFL. In California and Alabama they have a few schools listed that u cant practice in such as Spartan, UTESA. However they have no objection to these schools. I am not saying like I am going to blitz these exams and just march in to USA. As each licensure is taken on an individual basis, I probably will get some odd looks perhaps.. I donít know, but I am desperate to really get into medicine thatís for sure. I have thought about Spartan but its reputation from the friends I have known and been there and said it was not worth it. As for student loans, I applied through one of the agencies suggested from Ross, and I got denied, as I am not US citizen/resident. The schools that turned me down were louisania, Baylor Howard and Indiana. Hopefully something will work out.

    To Highland poet, which school did u go to and on what grounds can u base the fact over a virtual forum that I am not a legit student? I am really desperate to get in and I want to get all the info I can muster on med in the European region. I have also heard of people getting in to these schools who have failed school, so this is a negative drawback big time. The one in Ukraine is reputable, compared to Russia ill say that much.. I am biased on that coz I know someone that went there and did really well in the USMLE and practsing in California. However id agree with u if u said I must be getting really desperate if I was going to learn another language just for my dream. Out of interest what are u doing now? Have u transferred or are u still in Eastern Europe?

    I am giving Guyana my green light I think after reading a bit of the country, I think id like to work in a country like this and contribute to the healthcare. However, id still like to emphasise that every med school has its problem and a med school isnt gonna get u high marks in usmle etc unless the student works hard

    Cheers

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    state licensing

    Quote Originally Posted by swiper
    Hi again. This post has a few replies so i am going to try and address all the points. Firstly dt and emerson, thanks for your posts. Where do you study? I already have checked with all the licensing boards for all the states. Clearly none of them have a problem because I can get the ECFMG certification by clearing USMLE, CSA, TOEFL. In California and Alabama they have a few schools listed that u cant practice in such as Spartan, UTESA. However they have no objection to these schools. I am not saying like I am going to blitz these exams and just march in to USA. As each licensure is taken on an individual basis, I probably will get some odd looks perhaps.. I donít know, but I am desperate to really get into medicine thatís for sure.
    Hi swiper,

    Go to this website:

    http://www.medbd.ca.gov/Unapproved_Med_Schools.htm

    and send an email to the contact person listed, Pat Park. I have asked her questions on the English-language programs and licensing in California, and that's where I got my info.

    Guyana is different because the native/official language is English.

    But, I am still curious what she may have to say about Guyana.

    You know, there is an University in Europe that has admissions in January.


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    my 2 cents

    ok buddy ,
    the reason i said u were fake was cos you were giving out info rather than asking for it, and especially from your coments on the eastern european and russian schools.
    ok about myself for obvious reasons i wont tell you where i studied , but i will tell you this that if you seriously wanna study medicine, then DO NOT go to ukraine and russia,
    its not just about the language, i learnt it and enjoyed it, i still practise it , its the country and the mentality , trust me u'll hate it,
    so here's me 2 censt worth , choose some other places but not there
    best of luck

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    re: Guyana

    Hello all,

    I would like to inform swiper of something. The University of Guyana will probably not let you in on this:

    Guyana has social unrest.

    Now don't get me wrong, it's not like there's looting and killing going on in this country every day and in every place. But it does happen.
    If you are seriously going to consider this country do some SERIOUS research into the state of the country. This topic is debatable; some will say that Guyana is great and I am exaggerating the situation. I believe that the problems in the country are great enough so that I am not going to risk my life in order to go there.

    Something else you should know: The university of Guyana's medical school is not exactly prestigious. In fact, people from the country who attended the university of guyana are completely unaware that the school of medicine exists. I suspect this is because the program is fairly new.

    Have you considered some of the Caribbean schools which have lower tuition but provide clinicals in the states? While I am not going to recommend them, it seems as if they would be at least as good as Guyana, at least from the criteria that you listed.

    Cheers,

    Silenthunder

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    re: Guyana

    For a country overview, take a look at:

    http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinat...merica/guyana/


    The school of medicine has been around since 1985. You can confirm at:

    http://imed.ecfmg.org/details.asp?co...38010&psize=25


    Anyways, there are other info around on the web.


    Hope the above helps.

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