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    Hi everyone,

    I'm a non-traditional prospective student in my 30s and married, and I don't know where to start in looking into medical schools. I have an undergrad degree in Criminology and Psychology minor. I've been out of school a little over 10 years. I'm currently looking at some schools overseas, particularly in Poland with HMI at Medical University of Lublin. But I have my reservations about the program, as I've read some bad reviews and also hear good things. So I'm really, really confused about if I should proceed with it or not. Deadlines are coming for Spring 2019. I've heard great things about SGU and Ross University, but don't know much to really compare. I'm also considering maybe some schools in the States, but I really don't want to take the MCAT, it's just going to be so time-consuming. At this point, I just want to go right into it. As I mentioned I am a non-traditional, out of school for over 10 years, in my 30s, and married, therefore this is a tough decision for us. We don't have any children, but I need to consider if schools abroad are a great option, if they have great matching rates, if I will find a great job, and if there is no stigma against schools abroad. And ultimately, what is the best one? I mean I want to shorten up the time, and go straight into school. What have you heard about HMI? I'm just really confused about the process. I'm really confused about the stages. I'm just trying to get as much information like learning about the USMLE, AAMC, AMCAS, there's just so many different organization and I don't know where to start. I'm sorry if I sound like I am all over the place, but that's because I feel like I am and I'm drowning in this decision and deadlines are coming up. I would greatly appreciate someone's help who was in the situation, knows someone who was in this situation, etc. Again I'm older and feel like this is my calling and is my last shot. I want to make sure I do it the right way, but not waste time. I don't want to take shortcuts either, but do it in the way that is best suited for me and my family. Having children is in the horizon, but as sacrifice goes, I'd have to put that on hold for now. So if there's a US school that can still get the same results, I'll stay. A clear guideline, or realistic stages of the med school process and abroad would be extremely helpful. And whatever other advice you deem fit. Please help. Thank you!!

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    Try a US Physician Assistant masters program. Itís a two year program to making a good living! I canít begin to tell you the number of folks on Prozac that went the route you are proposing.
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    Hello. It's always a good thing to pursue your dream. I have a friend who finished from st George and I'll recommend it for you. Tuition is high but if you are capable then go for it. I'm also in one of the med school in the carribean which is not as expensive as st George just incase you want to consider other schools. I'll be willing to guide you through if you need help. Btw I know of a guy who is in his 40's and in MD1 so don't even bother about the age. A lot of people who have a first degree and probably have been working are also in med school so you won't be the oldest trust me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leadsled View Post
    Try a US Physician Assistant masters program. It’s a two year program to making a good living! I can’t begin to tell you the number of folks on Prozac that went the route you are proposing.
    Okay. Thanks! I will look into PA's as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tino View Post
    Hello. It's always a good thing to pursue your dream. I have a friend who finished from st George and I'll recommend it for you. Tuition is high but if you are capable then go for it. I'm also in one of the med school in the carribean which is not as expensive as st George just incase you want to consider other schools. I'll be willing to guide you through if you need help. Btw I know of a guy who is in his 40's and in MD1 so don't even bother about the age. A lot of people who have a first degree and probably have been working are also in med school so you won't be the oldest trust me.
    Hi, yes, I am certainly open to other schools. I would be thrilled! Thanks so much for your help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryNite View Post
    I've heard great things about SGU and Ross University, but don't know much to really compare. I'm also considering maybe some schools in the States, but I really don't want to take the MCAT, it's just going to be so time-consuming. At this point, I just want to go right into it.
    Well, any road leading to medicine will be a long one. If you truly want to pursue medicine, my first recommendation would be to apply in the U.S. (assuming you are from the U.S. which I'm not sure you specifically mentioned).

    If you were to choose an alternative pathway (i.e. Carib vs Europe), I can only comment on the former, based on my own personal experience. I would advise against going to, or seeking out schools that do not require the MCAT. Those schools should be a last resort. SGU, Ross, and the remaining "Big 4" schools will all require the MCAT as part of the admission process. You can achieve your dream and become a successful physician attending one of the "Big 4" Caribbean schools. That being said, being an IMG will always be a more challenging route to obtaining residency in the U.S.

    Best of luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryNite View Post
    I really don't want to take the MCAT, it's just going to be so time-consuming. At this point, I just want to go right into it.
    (...)As I mentioned I am a non-traditional, out of school for over 10 years, in my 30s, and married, therefore this is a tough decision for us.(...) We don't have any children(...) I want to shorten up the time, and go straight into school. (...) Again I'm older and feel like this is my calling and is my last shot. I want to make sure I do it the right way, but not waste time.
    Sorry but all what you say is profoundly silly.
    I know because I was thinking exactly like you in the beginning of my 30s, and it tooks me many years to understand how stupid I was.
    So like you, I wanted to take some shortcuts.
    Believe me, shortcut in medicine is the WORST thing you can do.
    The MCAT is the first key point that will determine the probability for you to get a residency in the US eventually.
    Good MCAT increases the possibility for you to be admitted in a good medical school.
    Good med school increases your chance to get a good residency + practice medicine in the US.
    That's pretty simple to understand.
    So trying to save a few months or let's say a year....can make you loose much more.

    Anyway, even if you don't take the MCAT, you have to do at least 1 year of premed (chem, org chem, physics, biocell etc).
    That's the minimum. And even with that, and even in offshore schools, you'll be seated next to guys who are much more advanced than you in sciences in general and probably in medical sciences too.
    At least the knowledge of the MCAT stuff would give you more scientific credibility and would prepare you better not only for med school but also as physician (there are reasons why the MCAT put so much emphasis on physics).

    Your previous studies in criminology and psychology mean nothing. They fit with the minimum requirements of 90 undergraduate credits, and also determine your GPA but that's it: premed itself is a totally different world and so far from your background there is no indication that you will necessarly succeed in premed. So don't you think you should start to make your premed first?



    in my 30s, and married, therefore this is a tough decision for us.(...) We don't have any children
    See how it sounds ridiculous?
    Many of us have children, that's the true definition of a familiy and in extension of a "spouse".
    I've known monoparental women going to med school, and taking no shortcut as you wanna take because you are married.
    If you consider your "marriage without kids" a so big consideration, I would say med school and medicine are probably not for you. Be prepared to make a lot of sacrifices, and a marriage without kids is only a fade part of the sacrifices you may have to deal with if a problematic situation happens.
    If you seek comfort and the easy life for your spouse while you are in med school (and before and after med school)....you should think twice.
    For instance, med school itself maybe a relationship destroyer; combined with the expatriation (if you go offshore)...are you prepared for that? On thuesday will you be ok to sit for your exam if your spouse left you and the country one day before? These things happen. You must be prepared to that, but if you don't make medicine the center of your life for a while, then you might crash quickly just as thousands of other ex-med students crashed.
    My point here, is if your marriage is a reason for you to not take the MCAT.....well....


    I don't want to take shortcuts either, but do it in the way that is best suited for me and my family.
    Family? I don't want to be disrespectful towards your marriage....but which family?

    Sorry, but you are trying to take big shortcuts right now.
    It's weird you don't understand that, in your case, the MCAT IS the shortcut and the only shortcut you should take.
    Other than that you'll probably be a very weak candidate.


    A clear guideline, or realistic stages of the med school process and abroad would be extremely helpful. And whatever other advice you deem fit. Please help. Thank you!!
    Start studying 80-100 hours per week, do Premed + MCAT. That way you'll know if you should try med school or not and if you are ready to make the sacrifices for it. If you have good scores you may convince some good med school admissions, who knows.

    But first of all, according to your sentence "I really don't want to take the MCAT, it's just going to be so time-consuming" I would first start to do a profund introspection and establish what you really want, what you are ready to do or not; ask advices from med school students and physicians so they can explain you what med school and what medicine are.

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    MCAT is a requirement for US medical schools. Other countries have their own exam requirements. Philippines uses NMAT for example. I doubt if my former colleague, a Board Certified Thoracic and Cardiac surgeon who graduated from a foreign medical school has ever been asked whether he took MCAT or what his score was. What do you think?
    As far as “credibility”, in English law, it is described as “not speaking from hearsay”, such as you were by making statements not based upon fact. I’m glad that you backed down from the illegality of renting hotel rooms, I don’t think you would get far on that one!

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