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    Offshore school about to lose accreditation

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    An offshore school is being investigated for having classes on the island it's licensed for. It seems like it's close to losing accreditation and maybe ECFMG listing/recognition but not sure.

    What would you suggest the students that are currently enrolled in the school do? Should they transfer out ASAP before they lose accreditation or possibly ECFMG listing? Also if they lose accreditation, are the graduates of the school during the years it was accredited able to still apply for ECFMG certification?

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    Personally, I would attempt to transfer to one of the Big 4. It's too risky to stay if the school is about to lose accreditation. The graduates for the years the school was accredited will be able to apply for ECFMG accreditation usually, it'll have a stipulation on the listing like: "Graduates before 2018 from XYZ school."
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    Is it Ross? They have been holding classes in Tennessee since the recent bout of hurricanes decimated Dominica. I presume this is common knowledge in the offshore medical community, No? After a year, it seems indefinite when they will return there. Major damage to the infrastructure.

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    USAT lost it's ECFMG accreditation as of December 2018 because they held classes in the US. ECFMG states that any students attending USAT that have not graduated by December 2018 will NOT be eligible or approved to take any USMLE exam. They recommended that all USAT students transfer out to another school. It did not need to be the big 4 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lily2159 View Post
    USAT lost it's ECFMG accreditation as of December 2018 because they held classes in the US. ECFMG states that any students attending USAT that have not graduated by December 2018 will NOT be eligible or approved to take any USMLE exam. They recommended that all USAT students transfer out to another school. It did not need to be the big 4 though.
    I have not posted here in about 9 or 10 years now.

    ECFM is not an accrediting agency, although their powers are broad over controlling and deciding who can and cannot take the Boards. Interesting, the school NEVER had CAAM-HP accreditation (the accrediting body that has jurisdiction over it). Why it was listed in the World Directory? Easy to answer: It was listed under the old rules that did not require a school to be accredited by a competent accrediting agency, kind of grandfathered in. In those days all it took was that the host country just confirmed the school was recognized by them. Now the World Directory requires school to be accredited by a pertinent agency.

    If the "school" was in fact conducting PHYSICAL classes in U.S. soil (especially without the express authorization of the corresponding state's department of education to do so in their state), then they signed their own death sentence. Not much to be done there other than wish good luck to those affected.

    I shall warn everyone about a worse case scenario, because it does exist. Those students doing residency or accepted to residency, they risk being pulled out if the institution they are working with decides to do so under the circumstances, especially if there was any misrepresentation of facts concerning how they earned their degree. Why I say this? Because back in the 1980's and '90's I saw a similar scenario develop from another Caribbean nation and it was not pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Mobile View Post
    Is it Ross? They have been holding classes in Tennessee since the recent bout of hurricanes decimated Dominica. I presume this is common knowledge in the offshore medical community, No? After a year, it seems indefinite when they will return there. Major damage to the infrastructure.
    No it's not Ross, and probably they did registered in Tennessee with their Department of education to at least conduct classes temporarily, they know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maximillian genossa View Post
    No it's not Ross, and probably they did registered in Tennessee with their Department of education to at least conduct classes temporarily, they know better.
    I wasn’t aware that there was such a thing as a temporary registration for a Medical school operating in the US. It seems doubtful, if there is, why did Ross initially use a cruise ship instead of just holding the classes in the US?

    By the way; Ross has provisional accreditation status with CAAM-HP. They operated for decades without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lily2159 View Post
    USAT lost it's ECFMG accreditation as of December 2018 because they held classes in the US. ECFMG states that any students attending USAT that have not graduated by December 2018 will NOT be eligible or approved to take any USMLE exam. They recommended that all USAT students transfer out to another school. It did not need to be the big 4 though.
    You are mistaken regarding accreditation. ECFMG is a sponsoring agency for students and graduates eligibility to take USMLE and become certified. Accreditation comes from an accrediting body, recognized by the country of origin or multiple countries outside the originating country, I.e., US Department of Education.

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    I called and spoke to someone at ECFMG to get the real story. I was also able to obtain a copy of the legal document where ECFMG won the case. USAT is still accepting students and telling them it will all be fine. However ECFMG is not allowing any USAT students who have graduated after 12/2018 to take any USMLE. It does not matter if they are an accreditation body or sponsoring agency, there is no way around them to be cleared to take these required licensing exams in the US if you attend a foreign medical school.

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