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    Which country is the better choice to get to residency in surgery, USA or Germany for a Turkey med school graduate?
    Considering the the rate of acceptance to a program, duration , life and salary?
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    Your chances as a foreign medical graduate in surgery are (currently) much better in Germany, assuming you speak the language well and are a good medical student/graduate.

    Rate of acceptance of FMGs is (currently) much higher in Germany, again, assuming language fluency and general competency.
    Duration is at least a year longer in Germany, because there are generally fewer hours worked per week.
    Lifestyle is probably better in Germany due, again, to the fewer hours worked per week.
    Salary is (currently) a little better in the US, but it depends on where you live. (Iowa vs. New York / Leipzig vs. Berlin)

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    Europe or North America

    depends where you want to practice at ?
    North America or Europe ?


    Quote Originally Posted by TAJIK View Post
    Which country is the better choice to get to residency in surgery, USA or Germany for a Turkey med school graduate?
    Considering the the rate of acceptance to a program, duration , life and salary?
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    I hv not decided yet. But mainly I want to do residency in one of these countries work there for a additional 3-5 years and come back to my home-country!

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    could anyone explain in details the pathway to surgical residency in these countries. I mean certification, exams, visa status(citizenship) and etc.

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    If you already know that you want to return to Tajikstan, then the mere issue of expense makes Germany a better choice in your case. Taking the USMLE Steps is incredibly expensive, on the order of thousands of dollars (not including the time, significant effort, and additional considerable expense of preparation materials), plus travel and a visa to take Step 2CS in the US... and there is absolutely no guarantee of a surgery residency after any of it. In fact, the odds are against you unless you are a complete rock star, and even then you might not match. Applying for the match costs even more thousands of dollars, and again, the odds are not in your favor, and you don't get that money back if you fail to match. You also have to time your application around one match process per year in the US, whereas in Germany it is possible to get hired for a training position and begin almost immediately, assuming you are eligible. I have heard from a German recruiter that some graduating physicians are actually placed in German programs after they successfully complete their final exams, but before they have their diplomas in hand, because of an EU form that certifies them as "fully qualified but not yet graduated."

    If things remain somewhat similar to how they are currently (again, no guarantees), Germany offers a much higher opportunity for surgical residency training for a foreign medical graduate who speaks the language fluently. Many German medical recruiters currently cover most expenses for graduating physicians (travel, lodging, etc.) who are interviewing for residency training in Germany, and they even help with additional language training in many cases.

    If money is an issue, Germany would be a lot cheaper and probably faster.

    You could Google these websites, Tajik... I'm not sure why you would want to get this kind of important information from a third party:
    American Board of Surgery | www.absurgery.org
    Start*- Deutsche Gesellschaft für Chirurgie (DGCH)

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    thanks lol. As the first step of my pathway to Germany I hv already registered for a German preparatory course.

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    Is there any1 who have got accepted to residensy in Germany while being non EU citizen and graduate?

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    looks like Germany is the place to go bro....i'm also searching for info like you, i'm from Nigeria, in my final yr of medskl in Odessa, Ukraine...so looks like we gotta learn german...i for one have no problem with that.

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    I hv found a school in a Berlin which give lessons who lives in Berlin. Fees are 150 Eur for 100 lessons. To reach the needed level we will need about 500-600 lessons.... a GOOD PLACE TO GO. It is not so expensive if do hv a place to stay in Berlin. Good Luck in ur pathway to Germany
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    looks like Germany is the place to go bro....i'm also searching for info like you, i'm from Nigeria, in my final yr of medskl in Odessa, Ukraine...so looks like we gotta learn german...i for one have no problem with that.

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