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    Good and cheap medical education?

    Hello everyone!

    My names's Arslan and I'm a US citizen but lived/studied all my life in Pakistan, my future plan being - becoming a doctor and then moving to US for residency and settling there.

    I have just completed my A-levels with 2A's & 1 B. and now I'm thinking of getting medical education from outside Pakistan... because getting into public medical colleges is pretty hard here. Can the people with appropriate knowledge in this field guide me as to which countries give u good and reasonably priced medical education (or scholarships :P)! (keeping in view I will have to give USMLE too)
    I've heard of china... but not sure if the medical education there is good.. if any1 can give me details as to which universities in China are good for MBBS?

    thanks in advance for ur answers :P

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    hi..what is it like to live and practice in turkey? you implied that the government is open to recruiting american doctors? why is that? if i wanted to come over, what should i do to learn more about that? thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtaco View Post
    hi..what is it like to live and practice in turkey? you implied that the government is open to recruiting american doctors? why is that? if i wanted to come over, what should i do to learn more about that? thanks.
    I think thats for me

    what is it like to live and practice in turkey?

    Mmm.. thats a very wide question due to be answered widely.. but I can tell only as much as I know, you need further and confirmative information.. also from your perspective to answer how it is to live in Turkey is impossible for me, I can tell only my perspective and because you dont know me, you cant develop a direct idea based on mine..

    Said that, by the respect of living, Turkey provides a wide range of tastes for many kind of people, history, entertainment, sportive activities, metropolitan wealth and comfort, all every means I think.. you can find all of them, but as much as you want? this is a question you may want to dig more.. society is very much peaceful and welcoming for the foreigners.. 99% is muslim and Islam is lived in Sufi taste, not Salafi or Wahhabi (which means by the respect of the interpretation of Islam we get apart from Arab countries a lot).. western part of Turkey have had always a much bigger slice of investments than eastern part, so western cities are more developed and wealthy.. but paralel to this, the people lost the taste of being Turkish more and more as well.. the people in Istanbul got more and more loners in time like their counterparts in NY.. also a couple of years ago one of my ex-colleagues, a total womanizer , said that ten years ago I was uncomfortable with his inclinations to women and he was totally comfortable with it, and now even he, himself, got uncomfortable with the over-activity! of the women around.. there are a lot more to say about Turkey actually.. you ask and I will tell, ok?

    By the respect of practicing, to my knowledge and observations, the spectrum is pretty wide and the regulations are not tight like in US.. but things are changing very fastly. .for instance in last decade the government made such investments in health that, until 2002 bed no total was 6.000, and in 8 years its raised to 31.000 in 2010.. the other examples are like tihs one.. parallel to this, the number of inspectors and investigations were raised as well.. today, public health institutions are gathered under one IT umbrella (including private pharmacies as well), and its develop so that, the patient, the doctor, the service, the drug sales, all are monitored by the Health Ministry, and say for instance if a doctor, like many had done all along the nation's history, prescribes excessive or repetitive drugs, its immediately seen in reports and this doctor is taken under special interest! Also the most recent measure is started in university hospitals: for decades the de facto system of academicians who own private offices was that, they were starting the treatment of their patients in university hospital setting after taking them as their private patients in their private offices and getting their moneys (they were earning from university for every patient as well over their regular income).. Health Ministry brought a limitation in this dual public/private system and made them make a choice between two: if they choose to go on to run their private offices, they cannot take role in treatments of the university hospital patients.. and if they want to be active in academical settings, then they had to stop running their private offices..

    As you see, the measures are getting more and more taugh.. but still there is a "perception of doctors" paradigm, based on centuries old culture: both the people (including judges) and the doctors themselves give a high position/prestige to doctors and low esteem for the public, and this is a social given! So despite the things are changing, still the change in culture coming after and slower.. so even in cases the people dont appreciate the quality of the doctor, they mostly limit their objection with grumbling.. I think its called "learned despair", for even if they bring the cases to court, they are not valued.. so they have left to fight.. but! things are changing very fastly, so dont let my words mislead you: people began to have the same attitude (to file complains, for its gotten very easy now) here too.

    Because of those all (culture, paradigm, ex-system etc.) the doctor quality varies a lot and has a very wide spectrum: there are many world quality doctors, innumerable high quality doctors, and more than them medocre doctors, and again innumerable bad doctors.. because mostly the bad ones are in Godforgotten counties of countryside, we dont see most of them here in Istanbul (the greatest and most cosmopolitan metropolis of Turkey with appr.15million people).. but still I remember a doc, working for the company I was working for, and also working in one of the most prominent public hospitals of Istanbul, gave by hand (not prescribed!) a free hormone drug to one of the service personnel of the company to make her a favour, for she was in menopause.. we read in a couple of place of the prospectus that it was only for a combination therapy and in vitro studies showed that it caused carcinoma if used alone!!! Though it happened 15 years ago or so, but those guys are still around, if not that comfortable!

    By the respect of their income (a subject to dig more though), to my limited knowledge, the family practitioners are earning in public about 7 to 10.000TL, makes appr. $4.000 to $6.500 (in private hospitals doctor incomes are higher and vary a lot depending on the quality of the doctor/hospital/branch)..

    you implied that the government is open to recruiting american doctors? why is that?

    Its because of the supply/demand question.. we need more doctors then the ones actively working.. I believe its also to open the doors to everybody, to create better standards which will control Turkish doctors as well.. the more liberal platform you create, the more competitive quality you gain..

    But its a developing story, not standardized yet..

    Also you will need to know Turkish, wihch is not easy for its an articulate language.. but I know an artist living in Turkey have found a very practical solution for this: to express himself, he was using only 3rd single pronoun and simple present tense for all the times

    edit: Oh, by the way, I think a specialty gained in US will be recognized officially in Turkey, but if you want to have your residency in another specialty in Turkey, the test you need to take is brutally hard.. its named TUS(Test of Specialization in Medicine) and its a mixture of USMLE and residency match.. in USMLE you are evaluated, and you look for residency match later, right? In Turkey both evaluation and election for residency is done with this single test.. you have a residency directly with your TUS score.. so they are demanding even your organs in the test
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    Just now I watched on a national news channel that, with the economical crisis in Europe, there happened a rise of expat demand for Turkey, especially from France, Germany, Netherlands and England.. the one that talked to the correspondent (who? I couldnt catch but definitely a pro/admin) said that in general they understand what Turkey is after they come.. and he gave a recent example of it: a French (friend or neighbour?) came to Turkey grumbling, and left literally crying..

    Guys, I am not interested in sales of my country.. contrarily every life is as much valuable as at least mine is, and I just try to give an idea about the cons and pros of Turkey as much as I can.. the point is to be happy.. Turkey (or anywhere else) may be good for you or not, I cant know.. you can tell it.. good luck.

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    Good and cheap medical education? That's an oxymoron. However, remember this...when it comes to cheap, you get what you pay for.
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    Actually we all the time take "cheap" in the terms of money.. but actually to work hard and to have a high GPA is expensive and even if you dont pay much money for W-EU or Scandinavian med schools, still you pay a lot of sweat.. so the schools of W-EU and Scandinavian countries are maybe the most expensive ones, albeit they dont get your money.. because actually they get all of you, with your past and future work, brain, heart

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    Remember that most colleges treat nationals different than internationals. For example medical school is not that expensive in Germany if you're EU citizen, if not it's horribly expensive. You said you have US citizenship and plan to practice in the US. Before checking anywhere else you should exploit all options in the US for the reasons I mentioned above. Good luck

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    That's not true across the board, although it is in many circumstances. For example, I pay more in tuition for my PhD program than an EU/CH national, but it's still only 300 Francs per year, and if you can get into medical school there it is the same type of deal. With that said, I pay significantly more in medical school tuition than an EU national (6000 Euros per year compared to less than 10% of that). It's definitely worth looking at each location to see what they charge for a foreigner to study there.

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    Remember that most colleges treat nationals different than internationals. For example medical school is not that expensive in Germany if you're EU citizen, if not it's horribly expensive. You said you have US citizenship and plan to practice in the US. Before checking anywhere else you should exploit all options in the US for the reasons I mentioned above. Good luck

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    If you're looking for good and cheap medical education, there are some great options for you. First of all, Russia. This country is actually cheaper than you think. Studying here may vary from $2000/year to $6000/year. Some of the cheapest universities are in Stavropol, Ivanovo and Vitebsk. The next is China with an average tuition fee of $2600 per year. Then, Ukraine. Here the prices vary from $4000 to $6000. There are a few affordable medical institutions in Kyiv, Odesa and Vinnytsia. The last two countries in this top-5 are Kyrgystan and Phillippines.

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    Could I have more information? After graduating, what are the employment rates?

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