Good and cheap medical education?

[Arsirocker]

Hello everyone!

My names's Arslan and I'm a US citizen but lived/studied all my life in Pakistan, my future plan being - becoming a doctor and then moving to US for residency and settling there.

I have just completed my A-levels with 2A's & 1 B. and now I'm thinking of getting medical education from outside Pakistan... because getting into public medical colleges is pretty hard here. Can the people with appropriate knowledge in this field guide me as to which countries give u good and reasonably priced medical education (or scholarships :P)! (keeping in view I will have to give USMLE too)
I've heard of china... but not sure if the medical education there is good.. if any1 can give me details as to which universities in China are good for MBBS?

thanks in advance for ur answers :P

[bidiboom]

hi devildoc, now im curious! how inexpensive is it in germany?

i recently did a spreadsheet on carib med school prices and clocked Windsor as the cheapest at 50k

Hi asclepius,

With your question you created another question in my mind What is "tuition **" or "cs"? And those total tuitions, are they total of 4 year programs?

edit: ok, ok.. when I look around I saw what they mean.. thanks anyway.. your work in your blog is very beneficial.. thank you

[asclepius]

thanks bidiboom. im glad you find it useful!

[devildoc8404]

hi devildoc, now im curious! how inexpensive is it in germany?

Most German medical schools charge between 500-1000 Euros per year in tuition, depending on the school.

My Swiss grad program runs 300 Swiss Francs per year, with a few nominal fees added in for craps and giggles.

[devildoc8404]

1) You'll need to learn German, first. You can't apply without speaking German at the appropriate level, anyway. Take a preparatory course in Germany so you are able to manage it, assuming that you can gain admission.
2) You will have to check out the German schools to see when their deadlines are... it will require a lot of diligence to get it done, so you might as well get started now! Good luck.

do u know when are the application deadlines for german schools?

[asclepius]

hi devildoc, now im curious! how inexpensive is it in germany?

Most German medical schools charge between 500-1000 Euros per year in tuition, depending on the school.

My Swiss grad program runs 300 Swiss Francs per year, with a few nominal fees added in for craps and giggles.

wow, that is pretty awesome !

[TriageModerator]

Caribbean schools are pricier options for international students, and there are much cheaper options around the world. But of course there are trade-offs, such as USMLE prep and prearranged US clinical rotations.

[devildoc8404]

That's for certain... there are plenty of trade-offs.

In general, though, the quality of education (at least in W-EU) is outstanding, and performance on the USMLE is not a problem among those I have met, as long as students prepare well and speak English fluently. The US clinicals situation can be managed on one's own, but it's definitely more legwork. Of course, the difference between W-EU and E-EU is pretty substantial in that regard.

Caribbean schools are pricier options for international students, and there are much cheaper options around the world. But of course there are trade-offs, such as USMLE prep and prearranged US clinical rotations.

[bidiboom]

Caribbean schools are pricier options for international students, and there are much cheaper options around the world. But of course there are trade-offs, such as USMLE prep and prearranged US clinical rotations.

But for prearranged US clinical rotations, I hear some bad things, like the students are sent to little settings with limited technology/patient/experience.. if even I know here how its/it can be fake actually, the directors of hospitals know much better than me, dont they?

[arabconstruct]

German schools are great....

[devildoc8404]

Obviously, that depends completely on the school. Pre-arranged US rotations will vary substantially in quality, just like the medical schools themselves vary in quality.

Heck, I am sure that some of them (especially from schools here in the E-EU) absolutely suck. Others are excellent, however. As an example, University College Dublin offers its students full travel scholarships for their US electives, and has pre-arranged rotations with University of Pennsylvania (that's an Ivy League institution) and the University of Kansas. Many students would give their left gonad for a rotation at Penn, and Kansas is no slouch either. Jagiellonian, far and away one of the better English programs in the E-EU, has pre-arranged rotations with UCLA, UCSD, UC-Irvine, Loma Linda medical schools. That isn't "fake," as you put it, and they are all excellent institutions.

Of course, there are other programs (like mine) with absolutely no US rotations at all. You have to set them up for yourself during breaks, or they simply don't happen. Sadly, many American students come here expecting US rotations because they are lied to by the agencies that brought them here.

The bottom line is that Program Directors are not stupid. They certainly know the difference between a rotation at some small, community hospital in Illinois (or wherever) and UPenn. However... also remember that, in many situations, you can get an excellent rotation at a smaller hospital if you are willing to work hard.

But for prearranged US clinical rotations, I hear some bad things, like the students are sent to little settings with limited technology/patient/experience.. if even I know here how its/it can be fake actually, the directors of hospitals know much better than me, dont they?