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    I was wondering if I should try and get into a postbacc prgram at my state school in the USA, or just go the caribbean? The postbacc program is 2 years, and there is no official guarantee (nothing in writing) that if I do well Ill get into the med school. I did hear though, that doing well would be looked at favorably.But I'm not sure if doing a 2 year program with no guarantee of admission is worth it. I am not that young (31-yikes) and in that same 2 years, I could be done with my basic sciences at a med school in the caribbean. What option would you go with?

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    2 more yrs vs. straight to MD

    What ever you decide is going to depend on how committed you are to becoming a doctor. I'm facing the same options now. I've looked at statistics, forums, talked to some US med school admission officials and I keep reaching the same conclusion that spending 2 years getting a masters, second **, or a post-bac is absolutley no guarantee of admission to a US med school. It's just another "favorable factor" like volunteering that they only look at after GPA's and MCAT's.

    My GPA and MCAT's were competitive enough to get my application looked at but not accepted or even considered for an interview. (maybe I should have tried to make contacts with people on the admissions committee ) I decided to try the carib schools because I didn't want to spend years getting degree after degree trying to get into a US school. They're just as good (speaking about the "big three" here not sure about the others) and in a few cases better than some US schools in their placements.

    If your GPA and MCAT are pretty good then try the carib schools. I'm doing what works best for me in my situation but whatever you decide I wish you luck and hope you pick an option that works best for you.

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    Hindsight

    Hi Claudette...i know how you feel about the decision to stay around in the US for two years and pursue a masters degree. This is exactly what I did to make my app appear more favorable to US med schools. Unfortunately, I didn't get into any USmed schools even with my masters degree and plenty of volunteer, high gpa, medicore mcat, etc. If I had the decision to make again on whether to go to grad school or apply to the caribbean, I would've applied to the caribbean three years ago and got started. Just depends on how bad you want it. Don't waste time, get started now...

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    Time's a wastin' ....

    The more time you have to practice your profession during your lifetime, the better.

    Unless I had some burning reason as to why I had to go to a US Med school, well...medical training is long enough without adding to the length on the front-end.

    As it is, the med school application cycle takes 18 mos. Knowing it would be extraordinary for me to get into medical school at my age (Nightline has done pieces on people younger than me because they were remarkably "old" for residency), the Caribbean seems like the only viable option--and the application cycle is MUCH shorter.

    In deciding to pursue a nursing degree, I've noticed people having to wait until November to apply to a program that starts the following November. Though I could have qualified for what's called a "Master's Entry" program in nursing, since I already have 2 bachelors, I figured out I could have my RN nearly by the time it would take me to gain entry into a Master's Entry program. Praise be to programs that have starting classes 3 times a year!

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    Good Advice

    You are getting a lot of good advice here. On the personal advice of a medical school dean here in Texas, I stuck around and got my Masters degree in 3 years before ever applying. This was good, and bad.

    Good: It enabled me to land my current job, which is good, and gives me something to fall back on in case I never got into a medical school. Also I have had more time to save money for med school tuition/expenses. It also gave me more time to get even more clinical experience.

    Bad: Since my undergrad was a little low (due to too much partying, working full time, etc.), Texas med schools still gave me the cold shoulder because of my undergrad GPA. And I was 3 years older with kids and more worries as a family man. So, I agree that post-bac may just be one more thing to add to your list of accomplishments, like MCAT or GPA or volunteerism.

    A Masters degree helped make me a good candidate for an overseas school of my choice.

    What I wish I had done is go ahead and apply to the all the schools I wanted and see if I can get in, including overseas. Then, after getting rejected, go kick a** on post-bac to become a lock for med school overseas. But it takes thick skin and determination to handle possible rejection like that and still fight on. 8)
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    stay in USA or go away?

    Quote Originally Posted by claudette737
    I was wondering if I should try and get into a postbacc prgram at my state school in the USA, or just go the caribbean? The postbacc program is 2 years, and there is no official guarantee (nothing in writing) that if I do well Ill get into the med school. I did hear though, that doing well would be looked at favorably.But I'm not sure if doing a 2 year program with no guarantee of admission is worth it. I am not that young (31-yikes) and in that same 2 years, I could be done with my basic sciences at a med school in the caribbean. What option would you go with?
    the question is by post bac do you mean pre-med? If so definitely do premed in the US and see what happens. why do it overseas if you can do your premed in the us? unless im unclear on your meaning.
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    premed

    btw premed can be done in 1 year- i did it that way.
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    Claudette I think what you will find here is that most people on this board either tried the post-bac route applied to Allopathic schools and failed or said forget a post-bac and applied to the Carribean. Remeber this is a foreign MD board. I think the others that did find success w/ a post-bac program would be found on student doctor network. When you say a post-bac do you mean the gpa-Mcat enhancer one's or the others which will help you get the prereq's? It seems by your tone you need the record enchancer type. I am in your situation also. I am 30 and most likely could get into sgu, ross, auc, etc.., however I don't think I tried very hard to get into an allopathic school (I didn't even apply). I believe I will be starting a post-bac this fall w/ linkage to medical school pending a grade point average above a B and a 27 MCAT score. Am I old sure. Do I care, not really. My friend is at Drexel medical school and started when he was 32. When he became discouraged about his age his teacher told him he could be a 36 year old doctor or a 36 year old paramedic (his career prior). I think that put it into perspective for him. Good luck.

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    well

    My experience is this. When we were trying to get into medical school in Ontario, we encountered such bullpooh pooh. My husband has BSc. (Biochem), MSc. (Biochem). MBA - all from Queen's (one of our top schools in Canada). Solid good marks. Graduated 1 of 14 in class from BioChem. Mostly top of class, BUT in advanced physics for example, 72 is an awesome grade. And there has been great mark inflation at schools since he was doing undergrad. Doesn't matter, point is this. Couldn't get in to medical school. After talking to so many admissions people, we were told, we would loook on you favourably (exact words) if you just did.....

    more volunteering, a slightly higher MCAT, maybe another Masters or PhD program, more blond hair, blah blah blah. One guy even said, well if you take 5 or 6 more undergrad courses and get 92 in each one, then that would raise your overall average by half a percentage point and then we could review your file more favorably. Yeah right. Like I want to study in a school where people actually say that pooh pooh. But they do and all the time. Oh and if your entrance essays are 1 word over, you getted boooted out of the process (we spoke with former admissions committee members). Such crap. Really.

    I guess you likely get my point - you could do everything for your file to be 'viewed more favourably' and then get nothing out of it except a lot of bitterness & a waste of MANY years. We wasted so much time Richarding around in Ontario. We could have been done no less than 5 years ago. Seriously think about going offshore - Europe, Caribbean, Australia.

    Last thought: Think of the opportunity cost coming out the other end. 2 years as a doctor is at least $150,000 USD x 2 = $300,000 USD. That is the minimum income you will forgoe to perhaps, perchance, maybe... be viewed more favourably.

    Good luck. It's a tough choice. S-

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    Post-bac

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbnlc
    Claudette I think what you will find here is that most people on this board either tried the post-bac route applied to Allopathic schools and failed or said forget a post-bac and applied to the Carribean. Remeber this is a foreign MD board. I think the others that did find success w/ a post-bac program would be found on student doctor network. When you say a post-bac do you mean the gpa-Mcat enhancer one's or the others which will help you get the prereq's? It seems by your tone you need the record enchancer type. I am in your situation also. I am 30 and most likely could get into sgu, ross, auc, etc.., however I don't think I tried very hard to get into an allopathic school (I didn't even apply). I believe I will be starting a post-bac this fall w/ linkage to medical school pending a grade point average above a B and a 27 MCAT score. Am I old sure. Do I care, not really. My friend is at Drexel medical school and started when he was 32. When he became discouraged about his age his teacher told him he could be a 36 year old doctor or a 36 year old paramedic (his career prior). I think that put it into perspective for him. Good luck.
    Good point. That would be the other side of the coin.
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