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    hungary_student is offline Member 510 points
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    Eating in Debrecen

    Hello,

    What is the average cost of food/month? I eat both veg & non-veg food.

    Also, do the hotels at Debrecen require Credit Card at the time of check-in?

    Thanks.
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    good advice by Dr. Evil..... studying anatomy can mean a black hole totally agree if one's studying is not focused and not organized.... but Saman training made the twenty four hours a day seven days a week partying students look like really smart and studious students I was just amazed.... so its not a bad idea maybe to study his notes maybe a few times per week.... eighty percent yes I believe that is cutoff for 4 or is it 5 in Biochemistry.. but thats just unreasonable to me to be able to expempt the written, esp with all of the other stuff going on in the second year, then again its definitely not that bad difficulty wise if you put the time and effort into it.. yes Dr. Klara Matesz asks the embryo minimals commonly and one should know them by heart.... and Antal asks the Embryology of the heart, one of my classmates had no clue, and Antal was like, ok whatever... and passed him anyways.... ha ... so sometimes one can get lucky.... but I am definitely not saying that you have no clue to Antal is a good idea...and a GOOD ATLAS with the saman notes or minimals is of CRITICAL importance get on that as soon as possible... and maybe consider attending the lectures but you must attend them regularly... I dont really recommend lectures because they were not that great, esp the older emeritus professors, Dr. Szekely, his lectures were either just horrible or he just didnt bother to show up.... ok guy though hes not that bad of a person... dont know though he may have retired completely by now, he used to at least do the self controls at least.
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    hi everyone

    Hello,

    Finally i am in Debrecen and attending my classes. Going to have first SCT from Chemistry. What is the format of question paper?? Is it YES or NO type?? or mutiple choice questions?? or something else???

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    Warning

    I suggest you buddy up with your group mates very quickly. Make copies of their notes and maybe they even have an old test you can study to familiarize yourself. The israelis have all the stuff you need. Don't be shy. Be nice, tell them your situation and probably someone will help you out. But they eat the weak. If they see you are deadweight, then they'll leave you behind. I've told you before, your group members can save you or break you. Don;t ask this forum anymore test stuff, debrecen stuff. You are here..so make friends fast, get the notes, and enjoy your time here ( and the Hungarian women!!!) GL

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    whattupdog69, agree with you about the saman notes, they can be life-savers, but the problem is that the majority students at dote use saman notes like the only resource for the theoretical part of anatomy. And they dont learn much, just memorize, and thats not the way Anatomy is intented to be studied, and it wont give the basis they will need later on.

    But this method is possible at dote because all the departments are stuck in their old routines and questions..so their are notes for almost every subject...so u can study the saman notes and get a grade u actually dont desserve and forget most of it by the begining of the 3rd year.

    Or u can actually study the Clinical Anatomy by Moore, with Gross Anatomy, or the NMS and Snell's clincal antomy and actually learn the subject that will be one of the important foundations in your medical career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Evil
    whattupdog69, agree with you about the saman notes, they can be life-savers, but the problem is that the majority students at dote use saman notes like the only resource for the theoretical part of anatomy. And they dont learn much, just memorize, and thats not the way Anatomy is intented to be studied, and it wont give the basis they will need later on.

    But this method is possible at dote because all the departments are stuck in their old routines and questions..so their are notes for almost every subject...so u can study the saman notes and get a grade u actually dont desserve and forget most of it by the begining of the 3rd year.

    Or u can actually study the Clinical Anatomy by Moore, with Gross Anatomy, or the NMS and Snell's clincal antomy and actually learn the subject that will be one of the important foundations in your medical career.
    hey whats up....... dude believe me, as far as Anatomy in the second year goes, if you dont suck it up and memorize it, then you will neeeeeeeever ever finish it - that would be me anyways - Anatomy is painful any way that you look at it in my opinion...... it is not conceptual by ANY MEANS the second year Anatomy but it can be at times but majority of the time not so..... maybe less than five percent, memorize memorize, memorize.... that sucks to admit that Anatomy is like that,, but the sooner that you realize it then the faster you will be good - sure that you are good now but you can and will be even better - learn and move on learn and move on - thats the key.. not to real life but to second year Anatomy as tough as that pill is to swallow..... even Biochem some of it hell maybe even majority of it, except those clinical vignettes that you have to learn by heart before the oral examination.... meeemorize the hell out of those cycles and forever burn them into your Hippocampus so that you can say those cycles and repeat them in your sleep.... and then in Pathology you will thank yourself for memorizing certain things like cycles in Biochemistry and Anatomy almost all of it...... oral examination does not care about conceptual thinking in Anatomy and some of Biochemistry... only conceptual thing in second year is Physiology.... I hate to admit it that some things like this are just plain old rote memorization... and congratulations on finding Samans notes, you are one step closer to doing well, and not only just passing Anatomy - now find an excellent Atlas and yes memorize your heart out.... and not some one thousand page textbook that could take decades to read and remember.... remember.... smarter and not harder.... smarter meaning keep a low profile in class Antal HATES showoffs and has been known to fail them, dont get involved in any drama that happens in your class, smile at EVERY teacher or person in each dept that you see, and study your *** off. I am so happy that majority of students are using them (Samans notes) as a primary resource, as in my opinion they are an EXCELLENT source of information for the Anatomy final examination. whoa whoa whoa that last paragraph that you just said, to read text upon text, that is exactly the hole and trap that many upon many students tried and failed to understand. The school is about number one passing in the second year, and then build fundamental concepts in the third and later years.... worry about passing and learning at the same time in second year, but if something is just not learnable, memorize it and move on.... study study study is the key to second year.... and dont worry so much about learning Anatomy... it will come with time, dont worry... Surgery department will like, as well as appreciate your knowledge very very much indeed if you know ur Anatomy. Remember, nothing fancy and conceptual about the braches of the Mandibular nerve for instance - boring as heck if you ask me...(Auricotemporal, Lingual, Inferior Alveolar and Buccal - who cares????) unless you want to be a Maxillofacial Surgeon. good luck. Not to say that I dont love Surgery, I just dont really like memorizing or learning Anatomy.
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    hey

    now that faisal is in hungary with all those biophysics freakshows (panyi), i dont think we'll be hearing from him anymore. hahaha, they'll keep him quite busy.

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    Well, I guess or approaches to the subject are diffrent, I dont care to disccus the importance to LEARN anatomy here, its up to one self...its just a shame that the system there stimulates students who onlysee anatomy as something that u should pass'n'forget.

    just comment on the last thing you said, so according to you...who obviously dont want to be a "Maxillofacial Surgeon" its not important to know the path and functions of the alveolar nerve....but wouldnt you agree that if u had a patient who say for example has fractured mandible its important to know that the inferior alveolar nerve might have been damaged or severed...

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    hey

    If you can retain the basics from Gross Anatomy, i think it should suffice. You should establish a strong foundation, in which you could later come back and reinforce some points later on during ur residency or practice. If you just go ahead and memorize, you will not have set a good framework for yourselves, and consequently might have problems making sense of everything when you go back and start lookin at it again. but all in all, i dunno even how much i remember. and ull be surprised how small a fraction of the neuroanatomy you really have to learn, as compared to the enormous amount of stuff that debrecen expects you to know. well, unless ur gonna be a neurologist, or neurosurgeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Evil
    Well, I guess or approaches to the subject are diffrent, I dont care to disccus the importance to LEARN anatomy here, its up to one self...its just a shame that the system there stimulates students who onlysee anatomy as something that u should pass'n'forget.

    just comment on the last thing you said, so according to you...who obviously dont want to be a "Maxillofacial Surgeon" its not important to know the path and functions of the alveolar nerve....but wouldnt you agree that if u had a patient who say for example has fractured mandible its important to know that the inferior alveolar nerve might have been damaged or severed...
    I agree completely...... just that Anatomy to me is not that stimulating or interesting... management of Diabetes and management of complications of Hypertension and Cardiac Dysrhythmias, thats my specialty.... love that type of clinical stuff... not to say that I dont love Surgery too.... just the way that Anatomy is presented there, I just dont quite like.... but just have to suck it up and just learn it or memorize it... whichever suffices.... I mean sure theres TONS of clinical anatomy .... just that basic anatomy is probably more important for your examination, and basic anatomy means hardcore memorization or it would for me, or as you wish... learning it properly... just that there is so much to learn in second year anyways... so its hard to grasp each and every concept that comes ur way sometimes... but if you want to read Anatomy from a book then that is totally personal preference... but for me studying anatomy it was like going to the dentist... I dont want to go, but if I have to go then I will go.... ugh... also I hated the Anatomy practicals and minimals, the histo was good and impressive as well as interesting, but the anatomy practicals sucked sometimes... maybe one or two students around the teachers that were extremely nice on the self controls but horrible at teaching, and throngs upon throngs of people around Dr. Szaboch and Dr. Rosa - if you are not aggressive enough then you will not learn as much as the ones right next to the excellent teachers, esp those two who were EXCELLENT teachers... its too bad that Prof Antal doesnt teach more during the practicals, because he is by far the best Anatomist and his knowledge is amazing, dont really agree with how he handles students sometimes... and of course all of these profs know their stuff inside and out and backwards and forwards.... in my opinion that is... so yes if you find Anatomy stimulating go ahead and go for the book.. but for the majority as you mentioned, such as me.... go for the notes and the atlas... and dont forget minimals... but if you truly feel that you have time for that Moore textbook then go for it - although even Saman himself admits that his notes are an abbreviation of the Moore textbook. Not what I would do or recommend to read a whole textbook of Anatomy during the semester, but if thats what you want to do then go for it. Not saying that its the wrong thing to do, just that I wouldnt do it, and my classmates definitely did not do it... it was notes notes notes and atlas...no its not necessarily pass and forget, its pass and then understand it further as time progresses, such as surgery and other subjects, believe me, Anatomy itself was not so important in much in Third through Sixth year with the exception of course Neurology, and learning all of those tracts and lesions, and of course Surgery - which again is not so much anatomy and more clinical... Anatomy clinical wise is just not that important....
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    i am back

    nuground2m, how are you?? I am not that much busy in Biophysics. They all are very good (atleast with me). Now i am well settled in Debrecen, even visited Budapest last weekend, thats a cool place. Each place is like a small museum there. Got a laptop here.....Tmobile is expensive....any other mobile service???

    whattupuydog (whatever ur name is). you had posted many long messages....i will read them later on bcoz its party time now!!!!!

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