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    dannybruin03 is offline Newbie 510 points
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    Medical & dental schools in Europe

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    I received my bachelor's degree in economics from UCLA in 2003 but also completed all of the pre-med classes. Took the DAT got a 18 on both science and the PAT section. My question to all of you is this...

    1. Is it really worth it to go to dentl schools in another country like the Netherlands? I really like Europe and I think it would be a great life experience to live there.

    2. I'm originally from Los Angeles, California and my long term goal is to come back here to practice dentistry or medicine. I heard the ADA has made the whole process of being able to practice in the U.S. very difficult if you graduated from a foreign dental school. Is that correct?

    3. I found a medical school out in Stockholm Sweden called Karolinska Institutet. Do you guys think this school will accept U.S. applicants?

    4. Are there any dental or medical schools in Germany, Holland or Sweden that will accept people like me with only a bachelor's degree from a respectable U.S. school like UCLA?

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    Hi there!

    I can't give you much information about Holland but I can give you a pointer when it comes to Sweden. I'm sure you are an intelligent guy (otherwise you wouldn't be trying to study medicine) but there is very little chance you will get into Karolinska. It is by far the most prestigious medical university in Scandinavia and one of the top in the world. If one wants to get in to study medicine over here then one needs to keep retaking your exams until one gets the very top grade in *every* single subject you have taken.

    As I say, this might not be a problem for you but unfortunately the läkarprogrammet (the course that enables you to become a doctor of medicine) is only available in Swedish. There are two ways of proving sufficient competency in Swedish 1) TISUS, which is an exam offered by Stockholm university or 2) Svenska B, which you need to be a resident of Sweden to take (you need something called a personnummer). Neither of these routes are a piece of cake. To be honest (as someone who teaches English) it is much harder to prove competency for university level Swedish than it is to prove it for university level English. TISUS is nothing like TOEFL.

    There are always far too many Swedish students every year who have 100% top grades to get into the medical program here and they basically pick a lottery for places. There are masses of Swedish and Norwegian students at medical schools in Poland because they can't get in here.

    My Dutch friend tells me the situation is the same over there but I don't have first hand experience. I can also tell you that there are no English language programs in Holland either, so you have learn Dutch and take whichever language exam they require BEFORE you apply. They won't look at an application in English or one that doesn't fulfill all of their requirements. To be honest, they are looking for reasons to cast applications aside.

    Sorry to write such a negative post. I'm not saying that you aren't intelligent enough to study in Sweden but you do have to speak entirely fluent Swedish before you apply. If you can afford it then you can always come over here and study something else (there are lots of courses you CAN do here that are in English) and then learn Swedish whilst you are here. The Swedish government pays for Swedish lessons for foreigners. You need to research SFI (Svenska För Invandrare) - they are the people who run them. You start off doing SFI A, then B, C, D then a course called SAS Grund, then Svenska A then Svenska B. It's kind of a long haul. It will take you a couple of years to get up to Svenska B. At least a year to 18 months anyway if you are good at languages and make Swedish friends etc.

    Anyway, good luck!


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    What I'm trying to get across (and I hope it's clear) is not that it's a question of just being intelligent, which I'm sure you are, but there are just so many Swedish people trying to become doctors here that it would be very hard for a foreigner to get in.

    If you lived here and intended to stay on after qualification then you might have a better chance. The problem is you would have to persuade them that this is the case and that you won't just go back to America once you have graduated. Education is free over here for everyone, including foreigners. This means that the university and by extension the Swedish government is making a pretty hefty investment in the people they educate. There are already thousands and thousands of non-Swedish students studying here for free and the government encourages it, to an extent. I think it's different with regards to doctors though. It's a massive financial investment for them and if they educate people as doctors who then leave they have to educate another doctor to fill their place.

    I just want to reiterate that it isn't really a question of your intelligence it's just that the system over here is not the same as it is in America, where universities can afford to educate foreigners as they charge tuition.

    If you are really really set on coming to Sweden, then it's possible but you are talking about a couple of years before you get in to medical school. You'd have to find some reason to be here to get a visa (unless you have dual-citizenship with another EU nation) and then study Swedish to SvB level. Maybe you'll get over here, love it, meet a Swedish girl/guy or get some good friends and want to stay. If that's the case then you should go for it (if you need any more info then let me know). But it's not really an option if you just want to come over here and then go back to the USA again. IMHO at least.


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    do holland schools have good 6 year MD programs in english or are they bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santhosh Varma View Post
    do holland schools have good 6 year MD programs in english or are they bad
    Holland has NO medical programs in English. They are in Dutch, and they are excellent.

    The only English language medical programs in Europe (outside of the UK, of course) are in the former East Bloc... i.e. Poland, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, etc.

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    Hi there
    Saw your post.
    If you are interested in Dental Education after 12 years of schooling - you can try India.
    The BDS or Bachelor of Dental Science course is 5 years long.
    It is entirely in English Medium.
    And it is really low cost.
    The fees will not exceed US $ 50,000 over 5 years or about US $ 10,000 a year.
    Food and cost of life will be about US $ 2000 a year maximum.

    But you will have to find out about the process of licensing in the US with the ADA and the State etc - as I am not an expert on that score.

    contact me / pm me if you want to know more about Dental education in India.

    also let me know what the exact licensing rules in the US are for overseas trained dentists.

    Good luck !!



    vivek105 (at) hotmail

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    European Dental Schools

    Hi,
    I live in North America and am looking into going to dental school in Europe. I'm trying to do as much research as possible before making my decision. I need some assistance. It would be greatly appreciated.

    What are the top 10 dental schools in Europe?

    Also, if someone can tell me about the dentistry program at Semmelweis University (Budapest, Hungary) relative to other European dental schools - Level of education, Tuition Fees, Living costs, and any other information I should keep in mind.

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    soyeahiknow is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    I don't know about medicine in Europe,

    but I can assure you that Dentistry will be harder. Basically, any dental degree not from US or Canada, you won't be able to use in the US to practice. It isn't like MD where you take the Steps and that's it.

    The only way is to complete a "fast track" program at a dental school in the US. Basically, you pay for 2 years for them to re-teach you dentistry. Basically, it is dental school in 2 years. Programs are hard to get in, you have a better shot of getting into a dental school originally then applying to these fast track programs for foreign dentists.

    Ever wonder why there isn't a lot of Caribbean dental programs? That is why.

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