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    Hey everyone,

    I am looking into applying to medical schools in different countries.
    I am also looking into Eastern European Medical Schools.
    It seems that for a foreign students the best countries to apply are Czech, Hungary and Poland.
    I do however have a question regaring the treatment of foreign students.
    I am of Indian origin myself, and was wondering, do foreign students face a lot of racism in these countries?

    Insha87

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insha87 View Post
    Hey everyone,

    I am looking into applying to medical schools in different countries.
    I am also looking into Eastern European Medical Schools.
    It seems that for a foreign students the best countries to apply are Czech, Hungary and Poland.
    I do however have a question regaring the treatment of foreign students.
    I am of Indian origin myself, and was wondering, do foreign students face a lot of racism in these countries?

    Insha87
    Try searching the topic. There have been a number of post about this before. Overall, I have not witnessed much racism in the East European countries I've visited. But a lot has to do with the race in question and the country in question. What you may face as an Indian ethnicity may be completly different than what an Asian, Arab, or African may face.

    I've lived in Czech rep. and I dont feel racism is a big problem there. It's also one of the safest places I've lived. I would expect Hungary to be the same. I've heard about a small skinhead problem in Poland, but I wouldnt be overly concerned about living there. Where I WOULD be concerned though would be in Russia. There is a definite problem in Russia, and any non-white who has been there can most likely verify that.

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    search it

    Yes, definitely search for this. There have been a few extensive threads on this. In short, yes it is racist here (I'm in Slovakia - the other half of Czechoslovakia) and from Canada. No Indians in our program although we have Africans, Arabs etc. etc.

    So, it would be a factor for you - but not such a heavy one likely. the programs are well establish and provide solid education at a decent price. Schools have been around a looong time.

    Good luck. S-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insha87 View Post
    Hey everyone,

    I am looking into applying to medical schools in different countries.
    I am also looking into Eastern European Medical Schools.
    It seems that for a foreign students the best countries to apply are Czech, Hungary and Poland.
    I do however have a question regaring the treatment of foreign students.
    I am of Indian origin myself, and was wondering, do foreign students face a lot of racism in these countries?

    Insha87
    You can consider Bulgarian Medical colleges.For aprox 4000 euro/year, you can get good enough education there.You can rent an one bedroom apartment for aprox. $100/month.I am in Pleven Medical University, Bulgaria.The university administration so far seems very helpfull and haven't faced any problem with race. However, some Indian students did face some problems with raging by other Indins and that also was harshly dealt with by the administration.Now Bulgaria has joined EU along with Romania and things looking good. Good luck

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    Bulgarian medical schools

    are the Bulgarian Medical schools in English or Bulgarian? how long is the program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by all4ui_smile View Post
    are the Bulgarian Medical schools in English or Bulgarian? how long is the program?
    Sofia and Pleven have full six year english.1st and second year preclinical,3rd,4th & 5th year clinical and sixth year intern which you can do anywhere.They are trying to register these college in the US so that you can do rotations in the US.

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    Do Not Go To Hungary

    Read the thread I have posted. Hungary is not an option. I don't know about other Eastern European countries, but I heard Poland is the same. They are not good schools, just a money-making device for themselves. RACISM is there as everywhere else-- from your neighbours to the immigration to your teachers. But that will be the smallest of your issues... just read my thread and see how things run here. I am lucky to have finally gotten out but I am with a worthless degree.

    If you are looking for a quick way to become an MD
    --- Hungary is not-- count the years as 6+X years, depending on your luck. If you want to bypass the Bachelor's in States or are underage to join a med school, Hungary will definitely not gain you years.

    If you are looking for an easy way
    --- Hungary is not- the complications and difficulties are in no way signs of a good school. Just to increase the number of times you pay the fees.

    If you are looking for a cheap way
    --- Hungary is not. They will make you repeat semesters (you have to wait one year inbetween) as much as they can.

    If this is your last chance to become a doctor
    --Hungary is not the option-- you will end up learning nothing, face humiliation each time you meet "real" med students during summer courses. Perhaps even give up after a couple of years, or end up with having completed something that brings you no returns.

    Just read my posts about Hungary
    Please do not go there....

    As for other EE countries-- many have the same sort of curriculum as Hungary, but how they actually are, you must RESEARCH very well. Do not stick to any opinion of AGENTS-- they paint the rosiest pictures for you---even lie about some important points like recognition/ ability to transfer/ specialize etc etc....
    Last edited by medical_student_hungary; 01-21-2007 at 04:01 PM.

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    To all those planning to go to study medicine in Hungary, I would like to warn all of you that things are not as they seem.

    The general medicine course is supposedly 6 years but count it as 6+x years. The whole system here is made to rob your and your parent’s hard earned money. But you will lose more--- your precious time and youth!!!!

    Firstly, let's see the exam system--- examinations are oral. Note this point very carefully. I used to think since there are no written papers, things would be easier. You could discuss and show how much you know. No specific questions that you do not know and you fail, right? Wrong. They take one look at you--- and decide what to do with you--- depends on nationality, skin color, bad mood etc etc. No papers so no arguments to prove their unfairness.

    How are the exams conducted? Well, they give you a "topic list" at the beginning of each year--- with roughly 200 topics. You will pick 1-2-3-4-5 topics in the exam, depending on the subject. You do not know one----you fail, simple as that. But that is the tricky part, depending on their preconceived decision; they can go into details that perhaps only graduates know the answer of. Even if you are just in the first year-- example, they might ask you about some detailed processes in biochemistry (2 and 3 year subject) in your general chemistry exam of first year. And you cannot argue.

    Somehow or the other, they fail you for stupid reasons, then you have to repeat the year over and over again as their "credit system" is just by name.

    They say class attendance is obligatory, but no one shows for lectures--- as they are useless. Practices depend on your lab tutors. But all in all you do not learn anything useful. Most students walk around thinking they are doing good. But frankly, just look at any real med student and you will shiver.

    Corruption------ yes, you can "pay" tutors by taking extra practice sessions/ private lessons so that "they remember you in the exam". Everyone knows it--- just look at the pathology department in Debrecen. No lessons= no pass. All the tutors’ there--- everyone has their private mobile number to arrange for classes. In fact everyone even knows where one couple lives as they gives private practice lessons in patho at her home! How they manage to explain the patho exam specimens at their home is something that you have to see for yourself.

    Anatomy Department- just google about the Debrecen Anatomy scandal involving a Norwegian TV channel and you will find students brandishing human brains on their balconies, sneaking into the anatomy department at the dead of night etc. Why? Because they have no limit to the number of students they admit to the first year. So the small classes are so crowded that no one sees anything. End up resorting to buying body parts and sneaking into labs.

    Speaking of the patho department in Debrecen--- it is the worst and corrupt place of all. The head is an alcoholic, who is never sober--- those oral exams I spoke of-- he does them drunk too. Poor the students who meet him during a hangover! Then there are the practice tutors I have already mentioned above. The exam has a written, a practice and an oral part.
    Written exam is in the hand of one who takes extreme pleasure in making such trick questions with multiple answers that only chance, cheating and pure guessing can take you to the next part of the exam.
    That is the practice-- there are like a hundred specimens, two of which come to you in the exam. And the exam is done in the autopsy room, while they are chopping up the poor deceased (in Hungary everyone goes to the autopsy irrespective of cause of death so there are a lot of bodies every time). Also the no lessons=no pass applies in full force here. There is no one who did not take lessons--- all have to, and all did. And it costs money as the more you take the better your chances. Students arrange groups among themselves to afford as much as they can.
    Then is the oral part of the exam, in the hands of the drunken head of department- and others. Depending on who you get, your long journey from written to oral will end in disaster or mere escape. There are around 200 topics for first semester and another 200-250 are addend to that for the final exam at the end of the year. Also there are slides that you saw for perhaps 1-2 minutes sometime in the course of the year.
    And then, they can still ask you something that has no relation to your present subject curriculum and fail you.

    As for their degree--- it is supposedly "MD" but in truth due to the lesson hours--- you are probably not even recognised as an MBBS. The first year is a total waste with subjects like general chemistry and biology--- that is why they are 6 years long. Anatomy is dragged over the first and second years--- something other schools go quickly over nowadays. Then, there are useless subjects that have no parallels anywhere like biophysics.... And of course all try to fail you. Most students repeat the first two years many, many times. So many simply give up on Hungary and medicine altogether. Others just keep going on depressed-- how can one blame them? What can they say to their family--- life in Hungary is so terrible and bizarre that no one who does not experience it can understand clearly what is up.

    I am writing all this because I do not want to see anyone else shatter their dream of being a doctor... To see them get such botheration as I and my friends have gone through. Studying in Hungary is a waste of time. I have wasted a good number of years here, and have nothing in return--- prospective students and parents beware! Do not put yourself in a situation where you lose both money and more importantly your time and youth. Many have left, others think the other medical schools in Hungary- Semmelweis, Pecs, Szeged (Szent Gyorgi) are better and transfer there and end up in the same situations.

    Their clinical subjects are so horrible that 6th year students cannot even inject a simple drug. They have no idea of anything clinical because the initial pre-clinical subjects have killed them, taken all their energy for useless reasons and then the doctors in the clinics just let them be. Most don't show up for clinicals-- get and friend of a friend to sign them up. Why should they? After all the stress to get there--- there is nothing to be learnt.

    Example-- in my cardiology classes---- my group just saw one heart patient in the whole year. That too merely because he had a pace maker. One might learn oneself and pass the USMLE step1 or the PLAB written-- but no practice is surely obvious for the practical and clinical related parts. Many graduates simply go home or rotate in Hungary, knowing that going somewhere is pointless. I know students everywhere complain about not getting enough exposure—but here it is none. I mean none.

    How can a non-English speaking country conduct an English course in medicine? Half the clinicians cannot speak English well either-- so if you are persistent to learn in the clinicals then you don't understand because of the broken English they are speaking. This English course feeds their system with dollars and euros, and they don't care they give anything in return. Managing to stay out of the unrecognized list of universities is probably something fishy-- I always wondered how. You will not be able to work as a doctor anywhere even if they accept you- you do not have the experience. Many try to do summer courses and some of their clinicals outside Hungary, but honestly, that does not help much as the core and base is shaky and blurred.

    So called agents run the place--- Arab, Indian, Iranian representatives who charge a lot to get you in and then run illegal stuff like buying exams and the sort. They lie through their teeth about everything to hook you. The English sectarian are bullies of their own kind too... Never helpful and answer everything with "pay, pay, pay".

    Ask yourself this-- where in the world does a medical school accept students under 18? Hungary. Where do they accept students without a completed high school? Hungary. Where do they accept students into an English medical course without any knowledge of English? Hungary. The last part is especially true for many Arabs and Iranians-- they lead a miserable time dealing with all that I wrote above, on top of which they have to struggle with having to do all of it in English-- why do they do it then? Because, of course their parents think that they got in so they probably can manage. The one year pre-medical course in Hungary is a joke... They do not teach anything useful, plus biology and general chemistry is once more repeated in year 1... They just make it look serious and studious with their timetables and syllabus. But by the time you get into first year, you already know that you have jumped headlong into quicksand and you are trapped. Each year you spend more in Hungary, the more you are trapped and the more time you lose.

    Once more I am saying that I am writing this to be able to stop even one more person from being duped by Hungary and its medical schools. Do not think it is an easy way to become a doctor-- it is full of traps and tricks and you don't even become a doctor in the end.

    We have a lot of students walking around proud that they are good and know so much and etc etc etc. They will act and show off in front of you, especially the higher years but it is just a front, a subconscious guard to keep them from the truth that is eating them inside. As for myself, I could not look at a new comer without the desire to run, grab them and tell them to get out before they spend even one more dime here...

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    In Russia, yep , there is a definite problem for non-whites.
    I know,personally, few successful people in medicines who have done their med schooling from Russia and other EE countries. They're doing good in their career.
    A) Going to a med school and B) Being successful there are entirely different AND coupling of both of them is very subjective.Better search for yourself rather than depending on forums as many posts here are posted to either deter you from going there or coax you into going there by agencies in competetion with each other.
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    does any one know if medical university of lodz is better or medical university of sofia

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