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    One of my dad's partners is polish, and got wind i was interested in going to med school. He recommended this school, and i have questions regarding whether or not i could get admitted here. I have not been as serious in my studies as one needs to be to get into med school in the US, and am looking into going to Europe. My gpa will be around a 3 with a major in history, but i have all the prerequisite requirements to apply to med school. I have not taken the MCAT, but i generally do well on tests like this.

    My question is this... For you American students, what was your GPA when you applied to this medical school out of college? I think i'll end up putting an application in here anyway, i just want to gauge my chances based on GPA.

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    GThomp hi,

    Just the other day we were talking about it. Jut take a look at this post to see the 4&6 year programs admission list and how the criteria are applied (but I would suggest to check other threads&posts as well, for a wider perspective):
    http://www.valuemd.com/jagiellonian-...ml#post1423247

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    Not trying to be a smart ***, but i have seen that, and i have no clue what the GPA numbers pertain to. It seems they are out of 5? How would one convert a GPA out of 4 to out of 5. Why are the MCAT scores out of 10? If this is some European vs US thing, i have 0 clue about it. I've never been out of the country as an adult except to Mexico, and it wasn't an "educational" trip. Any help understanding this is much appreciated. Also, did many people who went there have a bunch of volunteer hours in hospitals, or can a guy who just applies have a chance? I am very versed in the lifestyle of a career in medicine, and have witnessed surgeries performed ect. Will that help me out?

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    GThomp when I have seen it, I have asked the same questions in my mind as well. I take it as just an effort to create a specific evaluation ground for various evaluation systems of various countries. The English program if Jagiellonian admits various students from various education systems.

    Say for instance the GPA in US is over 4.00, but in another country its over 10. So its a good idea to bring them all in one system, which evaluates GPA over 5.00 :
    If your GPA is 3.00 over 4.00
    it is...................? over 5.00 ==> (3.00 x 5.00) / 4.00 = 3.75

    I think the same goes for MCAT as well: In MCAT there are (if I am wrong please correct me) 10+10+10=30 + essay point.. they convert it to a value over 10.

    Plus for your performance in interview they give a mark over 10, and voila! It comes out to be a max 10+5+10=25, thats, you can have max 25.

    As for your experiences of any kind in medicine, of course its an asset that must take place in your CV, and they must know them all. How much and how far it has an effect I dont know, but its always an asset.
    Last edited by bidiboom; 11-29-2011 at 10:14 AM.

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    I'm assuming this is for the 4 year program...

    If you have an undergrad degree and have written the MCAT, provided you have a score of over 24, you could have a chance for interview. What matters after that is your GPA and what extra-curriculars you have. You asked if you need lots of volunteer hours or something like that, and the answer is no, however you must have the scores or something else which demonstrates you are a qualified candidate.
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    DaveMD I am interested in this school, so I need to know as well: This admission list of 40 students has various profiles. Do I interprete it wrong, or do they get the bar lower if/as they cant fill the new class with the students that fulfill the criteria you mention? Look at this, there are very humble scores of MCAT and GPA, but great in interview, and admitted:
    http://www.medschool.cm-uj.krakow.pl...yearMD2011.pdf

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    Another main question i have is how much wrangling do you have to do with the school to take the USMLE tests? Do you have to do that stateside, or are they given in Poland? How does this work if it is obligatory?

    My extracurriculars would probably be rated as non-existant to poor given i do not belong to any organizations and do volunteer work sporadically. Truth is that i train my dog and hunt a lot. Those probably are not traits they value highly in the application process. That being said i could scare up an infinite amount of doctor shadowing time with about any specialty if thats what they are looking for.

    What complaints do you all have about the school if any?

    What are the firearms laws like, and are there hunting opportunities in Poland? (i know some of you may not agree with hunting, i am just wondering). I predict there will be few opportunities, but if anyone knows anything about it i'd be all ears. How the fishing in the river (if you have tried)? What is there to do aside from partying and studying? I understand what i'd be there to do, but one must have distractions in order to keep their sanity.

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    Only to my knowledge;

    Another main question i have is how much wrangling do you have to do with the school to take the USMLE tests? Do you have to do that stateside, or are they given in Poland? How does this work if it is obligatory?
    USMLE1 is taken in your location, whereever you are, and USMLE2 is taken in US, since its all about your clinicals by taking fake (acting) patients. How hard it is I cant say that, but there is a USMLE forum in VMD.

    My extracurriculars would probably be rated as non-existant to poor given i do not belong to any organizations and do volunteer work sporadically. Truth is that i train my dog and hunt a lot. Those probably are not traits they value highly in the application process. That being said i could scare up an infinite amount of doctor shadowing time with about any specialty if thats what they are looking for.
    Again to my knowledge, it is not like in US; you dont have to have great extracurriculars, but if I would be in your place, I wouldnt treat my valuable experiences as trash: I would place them in my CV and talk about them in the interview.. say for instance you had a week of volunteer activity; it may be perceived by its valuable, useful or sentimental parts. Of course if you are sincere in your comments, you make the interviewer feel you as well.. by that regard, for instance, to train your dog may be something very much valuable: it is an indicator of your contact with animals and the living.. or for instance, you can tell how you were hunting real animals, but in time you began to use hunting as a way to be in nature and to be with your dog, so you hunt fake stuff, but not animals (of course if its the case, I dont suggest to lie). Again you may tell what it meant for you, a week of volunteer activity (but of course first you need to see what it meant for you).

    What complaints do you all have about the school if any?
    In general this region has a problem about lack of clinical experience and the lower quality of the English med programs, compared to the native programs. Its understandable as well, since
    1) Some (sometimes many) students are not really dedicated in English programs.
    2) They dont know the native language good enough to help them in their clinical years.
    3) Those are cutting the passion of the teachers (not all) to teach something to those losers who are "purchasing education!".

    So this point, the quality of education, may be very much related with your personal performance (Jagiellonian is no joke in theoreticals and you will need really to work hard for years!). But as for bad things about Jag, pass me! I dont know anything bad particularly about it and I would like to hear the opinions too.

    What are the firearms laws like, and are there hunting opportunities in Poland? (i know some of you may not agree with hunting, i am just wondering). I predict there will be few opportunities, but if anyone knows anything about it i'd be all ears. How the fishing in the river (if you have tried)? What is there to do aside from partying and studying? I understand what i'd be there to do, but one must have distractions in order to keep their sanity.
    I just checked youtube and found these:
    (about fishing)
    fishing poland - YouTube

    (about hunting)
    hunting poland - YouTube

    there are videos about rafting as well
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    Another main question i have is how much wrangling do you have to do with the school to take the USMLE tests? Do you have to do that stateside, or are they given in Poland? How does this work if it is obligatory?


    You can write the USMLE Step 1 in many locations in the US, Canada as well as around Europe. It is not offered in Poland but in Berlin, London and a few other cities within a short flight of Krakow. Generally people write it in the summer after their 2nd year, when they are back home. A few people choose to stay in Europe over the summer though and write it (usually in Berlin). Actually, the USMLE is NOT a requirement for graduation from the 4 year program, as there are Canadians and some other non-Americans in the program who have no desire to apply Stateside.

    Step 2 CK can be written in Warsaw, and some other cities in Europe, as well as the USA. Step 2 CS is only offered in 5 cities in the USA.

    What complaints do you all have about the school if any?

    I generally think quite highly of the program. There are occasionally organizational problems and some time wasted here and there but I am happy overall with the level of education I have received so far

    What are the firearms laws like, and are there hunting opportunities in Poland?

    Firearm laws are pretty strict, and you need to be a polish citizen to have a license. The licensing process takes close to 2 years from what I've heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bidiboom View Post
    DaveMD I am interested in this school, so I need to know as well: This admission list of 40 students has various profiles. Do I interprete it wrong, or do they get the bar lower if/as they cant fill the new class with the students that fulfill the criteria you mention? Look at this, there are very humble scores of MCAT and GPA, but great in interview, and admitted:
    http://www.medschool.cm-uj.krakow.pl...yearMD2011.pdf
    No one will ever be able to interpret what exactly that PDF means because no one besides the admissions committee knows how they used that scoring system to determine which students they admitted. That being said, this list only ranks the class that was actually admitted because there is precisely 40 names. There were obviously more than 40 people who interviewed for those spots, so still you cannot determine any sort of matriculation rate.
    Last edited by Dave_MD; 11-29-2011 at 02:09 PM.
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