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    JasonManing is offline Permanently Banned 510 points
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    Ireland vs Poland?

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    From what I heard from my doctor, Irish Universities are more respected on a world scale than Polish schools. Is the saved money worth going to this University? How hard will it be to get a job afterwards?

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    True but Polish schools are perfectly fine in their own right. Depends on what you want and where you want to practice and how much money you're willing to spend. I mean, you could do graduate entry at Oxford if it's the brand you're interested in. There is a bit of stigma associated with Eastern European schools, regardless of how good they may be. If money isn't a big problem, start west and head east. But an M.D. is an M.D., as long as your scores are good and your electives are set up to gain entry into a nice residency position, it doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetacea View Post
    True but Polish schools are perfectly fine in their own right. Depends on what you want and where you want to practice and how much money you're willing to spend. I mean, you could do graduate entry at Oxford if it's the brand you're interested in. There is a bit of stigma associated with Eastern European schools, regardless of how good they may be. If money isn't a big problem, start west and head east. But an M.D. is an M.D., as long as your scores are good and your electives are set up to gain entry into a nice residency position, it doesn't matter.
    I totally agree with this statement

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    The statement above agrees with what I have gathered also. As long as you work hard and score well on the USMLE, it does not matter too much where you attend school and you can be a great doctor and get a good residency. There are many great foreign trained MD that I have met who have told me this same thing.

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    I'm a 4th year at UJ and currently doing each of the following: preparing for Step 2, completing rotations in North America, and applying for residency. Here's my opinion: in the eyes of the North American medical establishment, Irish IMG=Polish IMG=most other European IMGs.

    I, too considered Ireland when applying to medical school. The 45,000 Euro/year cost of attendence was more than enough to rule it out in my eyes. However, if for whatever reason, money is of no concern, Ireland would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotten View Post
    I'm a 4th year at UJ and currently doing each of the following: preparing for Step 2, completing rotations in North America, and applying for residency. Here's my opinion: in the eyes of the North American medical establishment, Irish IMG=Polish IMG=most other European IMGs
    But surely the senior doctors reading your CV and other documents isn't just going to look at it and see oh european school, another IMG and just pass you over. And with little research you will find that Irish and UK schools are clearly more respected then eastern european schools. I am sure there is schools in the UK and Ireland that don't produce as good as graduates as UJ do but saying an Irish IMG=Polish IMG is wrong to some extent at least. I may be entirely wrong though!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan01 View Post
    But surely the senior doctors reading your CV and other documents isn't just going to look at it and see oh european school, another IMG and just pass you over. And with little research you will find that Irish and UK schools are clearly more respected then eastern european schools. I am sure there is schools in the UK and Ireland that don't produce as good as graduates as UJ do but saying an Irish IMG=Polish IMG is wrong to some extent at least. I may be entirely wrong though!!
    Hmm, maybe I wasn't communicating my opinion clearly enough. My point is this: in the eyes of the North American medical establishment, foreign schooled doctors are considered "outsiders" and, as such, need to make a very compelling case for themselves, as to why residency training programs should pick them over an American/Canadian applicant with similar (or in some cases, inferior) credentials. And, yes, I would venture to say that this is largely the case for UK/Ireland grads as well. Certainly, there are exceptions, but let's not concern ourselves with Oxbridge grads with 10+ publications in peer-reviewed journals because, frankly, the vast majority of them aren't applying to North American residencies.

    And my opinion on prestige still stands. With regards to educational debt, ask an Ireland-schooled American PCP how paying back $200K + interest in perceived "prestige" feels on <$100K a year. Sometimes prestige just doesn't make financial sense.
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    If your parents are rich and don't mind paying for you to go to an Irish school, then go to an Irish school. Just going to school in an English speaking country makes things easier.

    But as far as what is better, I have no idea. What I do know is that an MD is an MD no matter where you went to school. Once you're a doctor, start practicing, start networking, and build a reputation, you will either be a good doctor that people respect, or you won't be.

    No one is going to care about what school you went to if you are a good doctor that's been practicing for awhile. That's at least my take on it, although it's only speculation.

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    The first couple years probably won't be all that different, basic science is basic science and they might even teach you it better in eastern europe.

    But then get to clinicals and you really should be in a place that puts as much money into health care as wherever you plan on practicing. MRIs, CTs, USs and basically every diagnostic test is few and far between in eastern europe. There's a reason that Polish doctors make less than the average working salary (yes you read that correctly, doctors there make less than the average worker in Poland, Hungary, Romania, and even in some parts of Slovakia and Czech Rep). Just plain different priorities.

    Then when you're applying for residencies you will be discriminated against hard for going outside of US/UK/Canada/Ireland/Australia/New Zealand. With the caribbean at least you did your clinicals in the US, and hopefully at greenbook sites.

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