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    Average Age?/ Questions Jagiellonian 6 Year Program

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    Hi Everyone! I am thinking about applying to the 6 year program at Jagiellonian. I already have a BA but I like the idea of a slower curriculum that is easier to digest. I would like to take my time and really learn the material. I also would like to have kids soon and gather from the posts that this maybe easier in the 6 yr vs 4 yr program? Any thoughts? Also which year would be best to try to get preggers? Also, does anyone know the average age of the students? I am 28, would everyone be way younger or are there some people that would be around my age?? Thank you everyone for your great posts!!

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    Hey, I am 28 years old as well. I will be in ghe 6 year at poznan....like you I have a B/S and choose the 6 year programs since my degree is in pol. sci and business...i have been in the real world and just want to change directions, sooooo thats awesome and good luck to you!!!

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    I am not at Jag, and I'm not female, but I am a father and an older student in E-Eu (Bulgaria).

    For the record, there is no particularly "good" time to have a baby in medical school, but I would say that if you plan on doing so, then the EU is a "good" place to do it. In my experience, anything having to do with children is very well supported by the universities in general. I don't know this to be the case at Jag, but I would not be surprised.

    A classmate of mine has a 4-year-old, and because she is the mother of a child under the age of 6 she is able to schedule exams around her needs. She doesn't abuse this right, but it is good to have if she needs it. Any time I have had a child care issue, or needed to be with my wife (who is currently 7 months preggers), my profs have been far more understanding than many were when I was in undergrad and grad school in the States. I have had profs, on more than one occasion, tell me something along the lines of "The MOST important thing in your life is your child. This is not a problem, you are a reliable student, go take care of your little girl. See you next time."

    Then again, I go to class and I study, so that helps. I imagine if I was a lame student it might not go over as well.

    If you start the 6 year program and already have some of the basic science coursework completed (and can receive credit for it), then this might free up some significant time for you in the first two years. If you are absolutely planning on having a baby, you will want to do it when the course load is low... also, be aware that it is HARD to manage a family (especially a baby) with the demands of medical school. I know people who have done it, but it ain't easy. We are preparing for a baby this summer, and I'm trying to prep for the USMLE Step One, and it is really-really hard. And you CANNOT screw up the boards as an international grad. So just be aware of that fact... it's doable, but it is NOT a cakewalk.

    It's already harder as an international grad going back to North America.

    It's harder than that with a kid. As a DAD.

    It's harder still if you are the one having the baby... OK, I haven't HAD the baby, but I've been there and I helped, so just know that it's a challenge. Oh, and note that if you have significant family help in-country, that will make things a kajillion times easier. In fact, it will be brutal without it. My classmate with the kid has her in-laws here, and that makes a huge difference. We do not have family here, and we miss it.

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    bmalecki,

    i am in the 4 year program at jagiellonian and can hopefully shed some light on your concerns.

    essentially the difference between the 4 and 6 year program is that the 6 year kids are straight out of highschool, and therefore in the 18-20 year old range...and mostly (80% or so) from Norway. the 4 year program is all north american. students in the 4 year program have either a bachelors and/or masters degrees and the age range in the 4 year program is 22-40ish (in my year anyway). so you would be the oldest person in the 6 year program should you decide to apply to it.

    With your bachelors degree it looks like the 4 year program would be best suited to you. yes, it is a lot faster paced and tougher than the 6 year,but the 4 year program is made for north american applicants and those planning on taking the USMLE Step exams.

    There are a few students who are around your age, and one female in our class has kids and brought them, along with her husband, here to krakow for her studies in the 4 year program.

    personally i dont think that medical school is a great time to have kids. you will be incredibly busy and balancing a rigorous program along with a family is no easy task. i would suggest having kids before applying, though this is only my 2 cents.
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    I agree with Dave_MD on this. Try to get into the 4 year program. Not to generalize, but you'd be around a lot of young Scandinavians who like to party. I don't know when it's a good time to have a baby so can't advise there. I had an interview at a U.S. school this Fall and a 3rd year student was around 8 months pregnant so maybe when you get to clinical electives in year 3 or 4 you could fit is in. But you're 28...do school first and then while you're in limbo after...then have a child. That's my opinion. Good luck!

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    Amen to that! There is DEFINITELY something to be said for studying in a post-bachelors 4-year program. The maturity level in 6-year programs can be absolutely retch-inducing... these kids are fresh out of HS, away from Mommy and Daddy for the first time, and can act like complete buffoons. It's hard not to break someone's nose when people actually titter at the mention of genitalia in gross anatomy, or can't seem to tear their eyes from the bared breasts of a sick woman in clinic.

    If you CAN get into the 4-year program, as the previous two posters mentioned, do it. 6-year programs cover ALL of the basic sciences ALL over again, and it will make you a little bit crazy. I mean, people do it, but good heavens, there are better ways to get to the goal.

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    Thanks for the posts everyone!! This is all really helpful information. I really appreciate all of the advise.

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    no problem. if you have any other questions, fire away
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    The maturity level in 6-year programs can be absolutely retch-inducing... these kids are fresh out of HS, away from Mommy and Daddy for the first time, and can act like complete buffoons. It's hard not to break someone's nose when people actually titter at the mention of genitalia in gross anatomy, or can't seem to tear their eyes from the bared breasts of a sick woman in clinic.
    Being in the 6 year at Bialystok, this statement holds so true. And even on the 5th year there are so many immature people. But, it's a fact of life. Goodluck with your choice though.

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