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    Dave_MD is offline Member 515 points
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    ACCEPTED....now decision time

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    So I woke up this morning to the sound of my blackberry's email notification and low and behold the ADCOMs at Jag have decided that i'm good enough for their 4 year MD program. nice.

    those that have been browsing the forums may have seen some of my posts in the PUMS forum. I was accepted to PUMS as well and have paid my 1000$ deposit there. but now with this jag acceptance i have a decision to make.

    both schools have their good and bad points. would anyone care to share their opinion about which school i should attend?

    please only post opinions with substance as to which school is the better choice and why.

    the 1000$ is irrelevant considering the overall cost of the 4 years so dont worry about that.

    and go.............

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    Well first of all congrats Dave. And 2nd of all you've got a tough decision ahead of you. But you know that I think

    Krakow vs. Poznan as Cities:
    My opinion is that Krakow wins hands down, there soooo much to do, and honestly I've been there dozens of times and spent quite a bit of time there already in my life and its beautiful. The museums, theaters, the history of the city, the architecture, the social scene, Rynek, all of it. Krakow is honestly hands down my favorite city in the world (well besides Santorini, but that doesn't count as a city, but thats also a beautiful place). So I guess one plus for UJ here.

    The Univerisities Themselves:
    UJ is one of the worlds oldest, opened in the 1300's lots of history, lots of prestige in Poland, decently known abroad (reputation helps always), and most of all, lots of funding from the Polish govt.. The hospitals in Krakow are known to be nice and have high-tech and fairly modern equipment. The childrens hospital is also very well known in Poland, sees lots of interesting cases. UJ also attracts lots of lecturers from abroad, and in general is regarded as the "Harvard of Poland."
    Poznan, the University has been around less time, yes, but rankings wise on the Polish list, it is number 1, which is a plus, depending how you look at it. Some people say those ranking lists have little validity. Reputationwise they have had a big boost this past year with Dr. Maria S. who did the first nearly complete face transplant. So, that helps once again. Hospitalwise from what I have heard Poznan is also fairly decent, not one of the biggest cities in Poland, but due to the school they also get quite a bit of funding for their hospitals. But from what I know from friends and family in Poland, the top hospitals tend to be in Krakow and Warsaw, with a few good departments here and there in other places.

    Educationwise: I think both are on fairly equal footing. You are learning pretty much the same thing, and no one is going to hold your hand. It's Poland, not the U.S., its not what they do. Dr. L from UJ who teaches biochem, also taught in the U.S. for some time, so I think thats a plus, plus there are other profs at UJ who have taught/trained in the U.S. But, at the same time, I'm sure Poznan has the same, I don't know personally but I would think so. UJ has the plus though, that the class size is smaller, capped at 35, and if you look how many graduate yearly it seems as though most everyone does. From what I have read about Poznan it seems they tend to take the typical Polish university approach of accept many, fail many. UJ, from the Polish side, tends to be fairly nurturing for their students, or at least as nurturing as a Polish university will ever be. From posts by students in the program it seems that professors are fairly receptive to student input and try to make things better. I have heard the opposite of Poznan though, especially with the whole tuition fiasco last year and the school administration. Me personally I give the upper hand to UJ based on the reputation of the University globally, the fact that I know as a fact that some profs have taught in the U.S., and the way I was received when I went for my interview. They were very inviting and I enjoyed my interview quite a bit.

    Costwise, I think its about the same for both from the last I read, but it all depends on the exchange rate I think.

    I think another area where UJ wins hands down is in the 4th year when you want to do some rotations in the U.S. They have agreements with Rochester, some of the UC schools, etc. And I think this, is a very very big plus. LORs from those instiutions will definitely help land a residency. And placement wise for residencies I know UJ has had some pretty good ones. For example this year there is someone who graduated a few years ago, who is finishing a plastic surgery fellowship, he went by route of gen surg --> plastic. But still, its good. There is another poster who matched in OB-gyn and then when into Anest. once again a good match. Poznan on the other hand I haven't really seen to many people write about placements. I think I heard some rumblings that someone got Ortho, but I don't know if thats true or not. So once again upper hand UJ because of the UR, UC's rotations.

    I know I'm probably biased since I'm attending UJ this fall. But I actually was in a position where I had applied to UJ and while waiting though to myself that if I don't get in I would then apply to Poznan, UJ was always my first choice, based on reputation, and what the students have to say about it. I've searched on google and found some people who finished UJ who had pretty good residencies, in pretty good hospitals so that right away convinced me some more. But I think what it all boils down to is where you would rather spend 4 years, which city, Poznan or Krakow. If you study like your supposed to, get a good USMLE score, get some rotations in the US, get some good LORs you are in a decent to good position in terms of landing a residency. If you don't it doesnt matter if you went to either, you will have a very hard time. And from the looks of what students of both schools post, both programs are similar teachingwise, but I have talked to some students from Poznan in person who said you are very much on your own. From UJ it seems that while in some courses you're on your own, in others they help and try to make it as painless as possible for you

    So, all in all, I recommend UJ, because of the city, because of the University itself, because of the way the administration was welcoming to me at my interview, because of the UC rotations, and because of the reputation of the program and residencies people have gotten.

    Best of luck in your decision and I hope to see you in Krakow come August.
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    Szymonsays is offline Newbie 510 points
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    bigndude, that was a great post. I think UJ definitely has the upper hand on Poznan since it is more reputable. I've done a lot of research and i've also had input from my father (UJ was his dream school; he studied at a different university in Krakow), and the fact that Krakow is my favourite city in Poland made my decision that much easier. I agree with all the points you've made.

    Dave_MD, i also wish to congratulate you on your acceptance to UJ. I hope bigndude's post will help you with your decision. Who knows, maybe i'll stumble into both of you over there ahaha

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    Entering class date?

    Does UJ have an entering class in Feb as well? Or is it only in Sept?

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    I recommend UJ as well. However, having said that, I feel as though a hardworking, motivated, non-complaining student would likely have all the qualities necessary to succeed at either place. While I'm not able to speak much of Poznan as a city, I would have to favor coming to Krakow on an "all else equal" basis.

    Many of my classmates, though not myself, were faced with the same decision and have not regretted coming here. Whatever you may decide, best of luck to you!

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    I, too, would choose Jag. Reasons are already elucidated above. Good luck!

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    thanks for the input everyone. looks like its UJ for me!

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    any of you guys from England? or know of any English students studying in Polski?

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