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    Hello fellows!

    I am a student transfering into IAU clinicals. I have personally heard great things about this school and am interested in knowing more so that I can plan accordingly.

    Does any one have a list or knows which IAU rotations are greenbook and where they are offered?

    The only one I know thus far is Family Medicine at Jackson Park Hospital in Chicago, IL.

    I know that even if there is no list out there, then maybe we, doing some team-work can fabricate the list and have it available for all to benefit from it.


    Thanks for trying!!!


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    taconzitos is offline Newbie 512 points
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    back on 4-7-08 a student posted this:

    "Current Hospital Agreements
    IAU currently has contracts with the following hospitals (all have ACGME-approved programs), where most of our clinical students are currently doing their rotations:

    Jackson Park Hospital (Chicago, IL)
    Harbor Hospital (Baltimore, Maryland)
    Baton Rouge General Medical Center (Baton Rouge, Louisiana)"

    Does any one know if this is current?

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    I'd say the best way to find out information on Clinicals is to contact someone in clinicals department. Also ask to speak to a current student who is doing clinicals in Chicago. Here is the link to the school website on clinicals.

    Clincals

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    Clinicals

    Quote Originally Posted by taconzitos View Post
    back on 4-7-08 a student posted this:

    "Current Hospital Agreements
    IAU currently has contracts with the following hospitals (all have ACGME-approved programs), where most of our clinical students are currently doing their rotations:

    Jackson Park Hospital (Chicago, IL)
    Harbor Hospital (Baltimore, Maryland)
    Baton Rouge General Medical Center (Baton Rouge, Louisiana)"

    Does any one know if this is current?
    Don't know much about their clinicals, but they do list a lot of hospitals on their website. If these spots are legit and they really have all these sites, they are an impressive list of site for a school as young as IAU. With this may sites listed and their claim of small class sizes, there should be no wait time for students starting clinicals. So, this is a significant plus, not to mention the NY approval. I think the school could really become a major choice for students if they start to build a campus. This would be a good sign that the school is stable and will be around for yeas to come. The new campus should also pave the way to secure additional state approvals, which is always a plus and will help the school grow on a long term basis. They should learn from the mistakes Spartan has made in its 30 plus years of its existence and they should not repeat those mistakes.

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    I recently transferred to this school for there clinicals. I started literally w/in 1 week of getting my papers in Atlanta. So far everything looks good. I am doing OB/GYN in a doctor's office/hospital and there are students from other programs as well.

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    Third Party Clinicals

    Quote Originally Posted by Dazed and Confused View Post
    I recently transferred to this school for there clinicals. I started literally w/in 1 week of getting my papers in Atlanta. So far everything looks good. I am doing OB/GYN in a doctor's office/hospital and there are students from other programs as well.
    Well, I really hope you are not "dazed and confused" in real life because what you are describing sounds like rotations arranged by third party companies. I have posted on this topic before and warned students about dangers of doing these third party rotations. You are setting yourself up for a licensing nightmare down the road. These so called clinicals will not count for core rotations and any school using these companies is doing a disservice to its students. Just don't complain that you were never warned.

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    I dont beleive in generalized statements

    Quote Originally Posted by Crane View Post
    Well, I really hope you are not "dazed and confused" in real life because what you are describing sounds like rotations arranged by third party companies. I have posted on this topic before and warned students about dangers of doing these third party rotations. You are setting yourself up for a licensing nightmare down the road. These so called clinicals will not count for core rotations and any school using these companies is doing a disservice to its students. Just don't complain that you were never warned.
    Certain states have additional requirements for licensing. Such states usually follow CA list for licensing first time FMGs. If you are a graduate of a CA "disapproved" school, then you absolutely CANNOT license there. Currently IAU is not listed as a "disapproved school" in any state of the US.

    FMGs irrespecitve of medical school school are historically able to license in all states (of course with the exception of CA) after USMLEs, Residency, Licensure in any state under the FSMB and/or Board Certification in their field of specialization. With the expected shortage of physicians, it is likely that more states will adopt FMG favorable, but strict licensing requirements like TX, AR, MS, OR did in the recent past.

    I know students in Atlanta that had excellent rotations. As long as your evaluations bear the seal of the teachng hospital and your attending is a teaching faculty at that hospital you be fine. Getting simple but official notes from your attendings in support of your clinical skills would help as well. I would just contact the Clinicals Department and ask them if you can get "paperwork" to satisfy your preffered state's requirements.

    Prospective Students must contact state licensing boards directly and get first hand information on exactly what their requirements are for unrestricted licensure and see if your school meets those requirements before enrolling in ANY school.

    OR

    If you are too busy to do all that work of calling up states, contact the school directly and find out if they can provide licensing information on specific states. They helped me a lot when I had similar questions and they are very knowledgable. See Contact Us for school website.
    Last edited by dr.kidd; 06-02-2010 at 08:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.kidd View Post
    Certain states have additional requirements for licensing. Such states usually follow CA list for licensing first time FMGs. If you are a graduate of a CA "disapproved" school, then you absolutely CANNOT license there. Currently IAU is not listed as a "disapproved school" in any state of the US.

    FMGs irrespecitve of medical school school are historically able to license in all states (of course with the exception of CA) after USMLEs, Residency, Licensure in any state under the FSMB and/or Board Certification in their field of specialization. With the expected shortage of physicians, it is likely that more states will adopt FMG favorable, but strict licensing requirements like TX, AR, MS, OR did in the recent past.

    I know students in Atlanta that had excellent rotations. As long as your evaluations bear the seal of the teachng hospital and your attending is a teaching faculty at that hospital you be fine. Getting simple but official notes from your attendings in support of your clinical skills would help as well. I would just contact the Clinicals Department and ask them if you can get "paperwork" to satisfy your preffered state's requirements.

    Prospective Students must contact state licensing boards directly and get first hand information on exactly what their requirements are for unrestricted licensure and see if your school meets those requirements before enrolling in ANY school.

    OR

    If you are too busy to do all that work of calling up states, contact the school directly and find out if they can provide licensing information on specific states. They helped me a lot when I had similar questions and they are very knowledgable. See Contact Us for school website.
    GMC in Atlanta is falsifying paperwork to show that you have done rotations in teaching hospitals when in fact you have not. The right way of doing rotations is for the school to have a written affiliation contract with the hospital and students are registered for rotations through the hospital with the hospital keeping permanent record of the rotation through its office of education. I see we are still busy pretending to be medical students!

    It takes one state to directly contact the hospital for verification and the jig is up. I think these so called rotations though third party companies is the next big scandal to hit the Caribbean medical education. Why poeple pay Russian Roulette with their future is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crane View Post
    GMC in Atlanta is falsifying paperwork to show that you have done rotations in teaching hospitals when in fact you have not. The right way of doing rotations is for the school to have a written affiliation contract with the hospital and students are registered for rotations through the hospital with the hospital keeping permanent record of the rotation through its office of education. I see we are still busy pretending to be medical students!

    It takes one state to directly contact the hospital for verification and the jig is up. I think these so called rotations though third party companies is the next big scandal to hit the Caribbean medical education. Why poeple pay Russian Roulette with their future is beyond me.
    So are you saying over 100,000 of currently practicing Non-American FMGs who are currently practicing in the US, had to submit affiliation agreements between their school and the hospital to get licensed ?

    So does that mean state boards are willing to accept credentials of clinical rotations completed say in Afghanistan but not ready to accept a ATL rotation from a American FMG who has passed USMLEs and completed residency, and be board certified ?

    How many states require you to submit contracts b/w schools and hospitals for licensing purposes other than CA or IL ?

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