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    Question about J1 visa etc. for HealthCan ProgAdmin

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    I want to know if a person goes to a U S residency program in Family Medicine or Psychiatry on a J1 visa passes USMLE Step 3 and boards in the U S and also passes the Canadian Board exams in the given specialty - can they then return and practice in Ontario without doing anything further given the new ruling in Ontario that accepts USMLE Steps 1/2/3 on par with the MCC exams. I asked this on the Canadian Forum but have yet to get an answer. I want to know this because it is easier to get a J1 visa and more residency programs are open to sponsoring this than an H1B.

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    Medical Licensure in Ontario after US residency

    Quote Originally Posted by ray farrell
    I want to know if a person goes to a U S residency program in Family Medicine or Psychiatry on a J1 visa passes USMLE Step 3 and boards in the U S and also passes the Canadian Board exams in the given specialty - can they then return and practice in Ontario without doing anything further given the new ruling in Ontario that accepts USMLE Steps 1/2/3 on par with the MCC exams. .....
    As I understand it, the licensing committee of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario will recognize the USMLEs and the MCC QE Parts I&II as equivalent. Have you read some, or all, the details on the CPSO website?

    There are further things to do, yes, but it seems that the exams are equivalent.

    The type of visa used has no impact on whether or not you *can* practice medicine in Ontario. What does matter is whether or not you use your time in the US well so you can meet the requirements of national certification and provincial licensure.

    The logistics of obtaining a licence in any jurisdiction are complex. The logistics for licensure in Family Medicine are different from those for Psychiatry.

    If you want some details on how to plan and organize the logistics, send me a PM and we can discuss.


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    Medical Licensure in Ontario after US residency

    Thank you for replying to my question. I would be grateful for any further info on the topic of how to use my time wisely in the U S and how I can go about this in Family Medicine and Psychiatry in such a way as to come back to Ontario and practice. My e-mail is rjcfarrell@hotmail so if the Program Administrator from Health Canada who responded to my initial question would care to contact me I would be most grateful.

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    ray, the answer to your original question is that it depends on the Medical School that you attend. If you attend a med school outside of Canada or the U.S. then you STILL have to go through a program like IMG Ontario in order to be qualified to practice in Canada (even though the college says that the USMLEs are now equivalent). Sounds stupid, I know, but that's what I was told by IMG Ontario.

    I would like to think that a Health Canada Program Administrator would be able to answer your question specifically and not just give you general statements like "There are further things to do, yes,", and "The logistics of obtaining a licence in any jurisdiction are complex", I would really question whether or not this person really works for the Canadian Government. Nifty name to have on a board like this, though!

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    Medical Licensure in Ontario after U S residency

    I am confused to say the least. The individual who is the Health Canada Program Admin. personally sent me info pertaining to my inquiry about returning to Canada after doing a U S residency in Family Practice or Psychiatry. (I might add the person is for real). There was also specific web sites referred to related to the above specialities. The jist of everything I read on the Family Physicians website, the Royal College site as it pertains to Psychiatry, and what was alluded to by the official in question is that if you pass USMLE 1, 2, 3 and go through the Family Practice or Psychiatry residency (I only talking about these two) in the U S in an accredited program, you are eligble to write the Canadian boards and if you pass you are not required to jump through any other hoops just because you didn't go to school in the U S or Canada. Now I don't know anything about the IMG program in Ontario and if you have the phone numbers and contact people I would be grateful if you passed them on, but I seriously doubt the position you have outlined, given that the official websites all say that USMLE 1 2 3 are accepted on par with MCCEE without any further adieu and there is no mention of where medical school was attended entering into the matter, in a manner of speaking would stand up to a court challenge. Nevertheless, I'd like more info and accurate info to be sure. This needs to be clarified for sure.
    Thanks, Ray Farrell

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    ray, first off, if you have found HealthCanadaProgamAdmin to be on the up and up regarding his/her postion, then I stand corrected. A bit of healthy internet skepticism is always a good thing!

    I can't find the name of the person I spoke to right now, but here is the link to IMG Ontario: http://www.imgo.ca/, they will be able to give you their version of things. I was told that their requirements are handed down to them by the usual suspects: CPSO, CFPC, RCPSC, COFM, & MCC.

    I will keep looking at this as well, as it is an important question to answer definitively.

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    Question about J1 visa etc. for HealthCan ProgAdmin

    I want to put your mind at ease. I got a detailed private reply from the official at Health Canada. If you pass Step 123 USMLE and do your family medicine or psychiatry in the U S at an accredited program - pass your American Boards - you can write your Canadian boards and if you pass you are home free in Ontario - no more hoops. IMG Ontario cannot even be entered by someone who has followed the route I just described. It doesn't matter where you took your MD from if you follow the above route. If you did your residency outside US or Canada then you must enter IMG Ontario. These be the facts that were communicated to me by a bona fide official that monitors this forum.
    All the best,
    Ray Farrell

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    sorry just clarification

    i'm a canadian who'll be graduating from a caribbean school...

    so if i pass usmle 1, 2 ck/cs, 3- and complete US accredited family medicine training- i can practice unrestricted medicine in ontario with full license so as long as i clear mccqe, mccee 1/2?

    thanks

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    To Clarify

    No need to write MCC exams because the new ruling says USLME 123 are equivalent in Ontario. But you must finish residency in U S including successfully doing boards which will allow you the opportunity to write the Canadian boards and if you pass them (speaking only of FP and PSY) you will be home free.

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    oh

    ah i see, so what you meant by canadian exam was the specialty board exam. i was a little confused thinking that it meant qe and ee's!!

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