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    Problem getting Statement of Need - Alberta

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    Hey,

    I"m an IMG, recently graduated, I have written and passed all the USMLE examinations, including MCCEE. I'm waiting for the match results in a couple of weeks.

    I am a Canadian citizen from Alberta. I recently spoke with Ministry of health in Canada and inquired about the statement of need process.

    They basically told me that I will not be eligible for a Statement of Need since I did not go through Carms.

    I guess the new requirement is that all Canadian IMGs must go through Carms, get rejected, then go through NRMP and get matched, then we are eligible for a statement of need. And ofcourse MCCEE must be passed.

    so basically If I do happen to get matched in a couple of weeks, I will not eb able to get a statement of need from the government and I have to sit out a year.

    Has anyone came across this scenerio?

    Any suggestions?

    Please Help mE!!!!

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    hmmmm, funny, I've been posting this up for almost two years now and "ValuableCanadian" has basically said I was lying about this, and now we have another person coming on here saying the same thing....any input VC? Or are you going to call this person a liar too?

    But, OP, sorry I can't be of more help, I learned of this stuff in my third year and am taking the year off to take Step 3, apply for the H1B as well as CaRMS next year just in case I need the J1 if I don't get a program to sponsor me for the H1B b/c of this issue....I think all you can do is apply for the J1 Letter if you match in the US and pray that they give one to do even though you didn't go through CaRMS, and no, I don't know what the chances of that happening are....good luck
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    WOW!!! are you serious toshiba11? That's a severe penalty to Canadians and especially canadians from Alberta. We get screwed left, right and center. Can't you apply for second iteration? Did you inform NRMP of this policy. Because if you match and you can't take the position, then there are severe consequences. You have to file a waiver and if it doesn't get approved, then NRMP can ban you for 1 year, 3 years or possibly lifetime.

    Make sure NRMP is aware of your situation so you don't get penalized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smu200 View Post
    WOW!!! are you serious toshiba11? That's a severe penalty to Canadians and especially canadians from Alberta. We get screwed left, right and center. Can't you apply for second iteration? Did you inform NRMP of this policy. Because if you match and you can't take the position, then there are severe consequences. You have to file a waiver and if it doesn't get approved, then NRMP can ban you for 1 year, 3 years or possibly lifetime.

    Make sure NRMP is aware of your situation so you don't get penalized.
    Hey,

    No I did not inform NRMP of this because I read somewhere that its not a penalty if you can't get the visa. But I'll read the NRMP policy again and get in touch with them.

    Oh and Alberta govt said that the second iteration is too late. The requirement is to go through Carms first and then NRMP. If I do go through second iteration, those match results are not available till April 17. And wouldn't it be illegal to go through Carms and NRMP at the same time?

    Thanks for the heads up.

    Which waiver are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by toshiba11 View Post
    Oh and Alberta govt said that the second iteration is too late. The requirement is to go through Carms first and then NRMP. If I do go through second iteration, those match results are not available till April 17. And wouldn't it be illegal to go through Carms and NRMP at the same time?
    no, you can legally go through CaRMS and the NRMP match at the same time, since CaRMS matches before the NRMP, if you match in Canada you are automatically withdrawn from the NRMP match....I don't know about the second iteration legality, I imagine if you didn't match in the NRMP or the scramble there's no problem for you to try for the second round. However, if you did match in the NRMP, then yes, it would be illegal for you to enter the second iteration b/c you already have a position somewhere else, even in you can't get a visa to fulfill said position.

    You could always try changing your province of origin to Ontario, it takes 3 months of residence there but may be worth it if you can spare the time.

    boooo, Alberta and Canada for their policies on this...
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    oh, and you said you've passed all your USMLE exams?? Does that include Step 3, b/c you should then try your hardest for the H1B visa....it doesn't require the approval of anyone in Canada. It's harder to get, fewer programs are sponsoring it now but this is the one to go for if you have Step 3 in the bag, it also allows you to apply for PR in the US during your time on the visa (unlike the J1 which bars you from doing this and you have to either leave the country for 2 years after your training or obtain a waiver from Alberta to continue working in an underserved area of the US).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kananaskis_girl View Post
    oh, and you said you've passed all your USMLE exams?? Does that include Step 3, b/c you should then try your hardest for the H1B visa....it doesn't require the approval of anyone in Canada. It's harder to get, fewer programs are sponsoring it now but this is the one to go for if you have Step 3 in the bag, it also allows you to apply for PR in the US during your time on the visa (unlike the J1 which bars you from doing this and you have to either leave the country for 2 years after your training or obtain a waiver from Alberta to continue working in an underserved area of the US).

    Hey no sorry I meant Step1, Step2CS and CK, and EE

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    Toshiba11, there is a penalty if you can't get a visa. However, most people tend to obtain the waiver from NRMP because of this reason. Nonetheless, if for some reason NRMP denies your waiver (ie. NRMP is not convinced with your reasoning), then you can be in big trouble.

    Make sure you call NRMP and let them about your situation. YOu can be discreet in the first phone call. Don't tell them your name or AAMC no. but if you feel "iffy" during anytime. Do let them know your true situation so you don't get penalized later on.

    I do like Kananasaki's suggestion about obtaining Statement of Need from other province. Make sure to explore other options. 1 year is a long time with no jobs in Canada for IMGs.

    I wish you all the best.

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    is this true for BC as well? im going through match for family and im from bc

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    most provinces have different regulations in general, I haven't ever heard of this problem for BC rsidents but you should contact the BC J1 representative, e-mail found on Health Canada's J1 website....
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