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    Admitted into Debrecen Medicine with lots of Qs (Done my research)

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    ...Hi, there.

    Quote Originally Posted by henry90121 View Post
    I am an Asian student and recently got admitted into University of Debrecen General Medicine program. Ive looked through a lot of past posts online but Im still uncertain about some things. BTW Im hoping to specialize in surgery in the future. (Not sure which kind yet)



    Debrecen School Life

    1. Ive seen in some past posts that the dorms in Debrecen are not recommended. Is it just the too high fees or is the whole environment terrible because Im thinking about signing up for the Korean Hostel.

    2. Will I be able to eat breakfast lunch and dinner in the campus cafeteria and nearby restaurants or do I have to cook by myself sometimes? (I am a terrible cook)

    3. During the last two years of (Clinicals? Rotations? Clerkship?) will I be able to do them in the US or other EU countries even if I am non US and EU citizen? If I can, am I able to apply to any hospitals or can I only apply to the Debrecen approved or affiliated hospitals?



    Other Medical Schools & Future Plans

    1. Does being in a better medical school means a better chance of getting residency in the US or EU? (not concerning citizenship) Is it worth it to try to apply to University of Semmelweis or some Irish medical schools? (only concerning residency)

    2. Which countries in the EU have good salary and not too overload working time? (Will try to learn the countries language during medical school)

    3. Does being a non-EU mean nearly 0% of residency chance in EU countries? If the answer is yes Ill try to become EU using investments during my studies.

    4. Should my last two years of Clinicals? Rotations? Clerkship? be done in the country or hospital I wish to work afterwards in order to have higher possibility in residency or is it not relevant?




    Thank you all very much

    Hello, Fellow

    I study here in the University of Debrecen. 2nd year medical student. I can't answer the 2nd part (Other Medical Schools and future plans). I have lived in Auguszta, the other hostel/hotel for foreign students.

    Booking.com: OEC West Hostel , Debrecen, Hungary - 5 Guest reviews . Book your hotel now! I don't know so much about the Korean Hostel also called OEC West Hostel. I have friends there, but I never got to go in. My korean groupmate once told me that food is provided for 'em Koreans daily. I don't know how that works. He said it was expensive, though, but ummm... He didn't have any complaints besides that. The environment is actually pretty nice. It's within the school proper, so it's a good place because you don't have to spend so much time walking to school 5-7 mins max. and you are in your seminar/lecture/lab. Everything school is within leg's reach, even a small grocery store.

    I, however, lived in Auguszta hostel Booking.com: Auguszta Hotel , Debrecen, Hungary . Book your hotel now! ...

    The environment is not filthy. It's pretty clean. There are many students there, however it isn't just one building. There's like 5 buildings. It generally isn't noisy except your neighbour is noisy (playing loud music everytime and inviting friends over everyday.) I had neighbours like that, but I wasn't bothered too much about it. You can actually call the reception, they are open 24hrs daily and they would set your neighbour right quickly. You may fell like you're the only one living there sometimes. Yea. It gets noiseless like that. They (Auguszta) do a weekly clean up for you, however you've got to COOK for yourself. I lived in Apartment 3. The kitchen is a shared one. It's at the end of the corridor, so you gotta go there to cook. The kitchen and common corridor are cleaned every morning. In other apartments, you get everything (except the common corridor, of course) in a common space. Walking to school takes 10-15 mins from Auguszta (depending on how fast you walk, though.)

    About your 3rd question, SURE! I'm not sure about 'em clerkships in US. We have to do Summer Practice every summer. From the 3rd year, I think, you start going to the clinics in school during the semester but for the Summer/Hospital practice, you can do it anywhere, because some people I know actually go back to their home countries, others go to other countries. A friend of mine went to Austria last summer and she's Ghanaian. . .others go to the UK and other places, if they get placements. There's even an organisation that organises placements for medical students to specific countries. It's not popularly known by the English program students, but the Hungarian students make use of the opportunity. It's a good one and it's recognized by the school as far as I know.

    Well ... that's all I can answer. I've never been to 'em Irish schools. I don't know much about the US, but people here apply to EU countries for residency, however your application is gonna need some weight... and knowing the language of the country is a pre-requisite in most of these countries. I know this because I asked folks in older years.

    I hope this helps you, If you want me to, I can forward your questions to people I know in older years especially the one about rotations and clerkships.

    You can write me a private message, if you have mo' questions. I'd be most def. glad to help you.

    Cheers
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    Hi djay
    Thanks for the information about the dorm. If I attend Debrecen we might someday meet in school XD


    I'll wait if others could answer my other questions~

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    Hey

    Since you asian can I please ask

    Can I ask if there is any merit to this if you are not a EU citizen or US citizen? (like I am)

    and are students supposed to be able to speak basic Hungarian by 3rd year(this seems a huge obstacle in my opinion)

    Would love to hear your thoughts Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudoscience View Post
    Hey

    Since you asian can I please ask

    Can I ask if there is any merit to this if you are not a EU citizen or US citizen? (like I am)

    and are students supposed to be able to speak basic Hungarian by 3rd year(this seems a huge obstacle in my opinion)

    Would love to hear your thoughts Thanks
    sure
    Do you mean merit as scholarship or sth? I think if you are the top X% in your class your school fees can be deducted so you can pay less.
    There is basic Hungarian course in the first year but during the last two years, you can do the clinicals in another country. (not sure if this is absolutely correct)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudoscience View Post
    Hey

    Since you asian can I please ask

    Can I ask if there is any merit to this if you are not a EU citizen or US citizen? (like I am)

    and are students supposed to be able to speak basic Hungarian by 3rd year(this seems a huge obstacle in my opinion)

    Would love to hear your thoughts Thanks
    Hello, Pseudoscience

    Are your questions directed at me? If yes, I'm not Asian. Merit?? What do you mean by that please?

    Actually, students are required to learn enough Hungarian to communicate with patients by 3rd year, but 99% of the students get by without learning anything more than saying hello, calling the taxi and ordering food. . .lol. . Learning the language just requires commitment. You can get away with not learning the language. I, however, know folks that grabbed hold of the language before graduating.

    Hope this helps. Do explain the merit part, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henry90121 View Post
    sure
    Do you mean merit as scholarship or sth? I think if you are the top X% in your class your school fees can be deducted so you can pay less.
    There is basic Hungarian course in the first year but during the last two years, you can do the clinicals in another country. (not sure if this is absolutely correct)
    Actually, the school fees is not deducted from. You pay the full thing, but after they've compiled the topscorers list, a small percentage is refunded/given back to you (you = the 5-15% of the class that has the hisgest GPA, GradePoint Average during the previous 2 semesters). Hungarian is taught through the 1st 3 years.

    Cheers
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    Hey sorry I meant after graduation

    I'm asian. So I don't have EU or US citizenship

    So I'm just wondering what this would result in even after graduation realistically

    Where can people like me reaslistically work in (it would be great if there was like such a thing as an 'international doctor'


    Also thanks for reply regarding the language

    So I guess all the exams till graduation are in english but people can get through the clinical rounds in like years 4-6 with just basic Hungarian

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    I am not an expert on Debrecen by any stretch of the imagination. I would leave those questions to folks who have been there.

    1. Does being in a better medical school means a better chance of getting residency in the US or EU? (not concerning citizenship) Is it worth it to try to apply to University of Semmelweis or some Irish medical schools? (only concerning residency)

    Your CV will follow you your entire career, and you will never be able to change your alma mater. If you can get into a better school, then I would recommend doing so. With that said, attending a better medical school helps to varying degrees (sometimes a LOT, depending on the school), but it is usually not the final determining factor. The process of getting a training position differs so much between countries that it is impossible to accurately comment on that.

    However, when it comes to trying to get a residency in the US, people who graduate from non-US medical schools after 2016 or so (and especially those who want to go into surgical subspecialties!) are likely going to find that to be an increasingly daunting challenge. Read up on the ACGME and AAMC publications about FMGs after 2016... if they know what they are talking about, it is about to get rather ugly for foreign med grads. Assuming they achieve a 1-to-1 ratio of US medical graduates to US internship positions, it will be a complete game-changer. Getting a position in the EU varies dramatically, on the other hand, and depends on a variety of factors such as citizenship(s), language(s) spoken, etc.

    2. Which countries in the EU have good salary and not too overload working time? (Will try to learn the countries’ language during medical school)

    "Good salary" is a relative term. There are very few places in Europe where medicine will make you a pantload of money. Also, if you do not want an "overload" of working time, medicine is probably the wrong profession for you.

    UK is all right. Germany pays a living wage. France is out anyway, you can forget it. Norway pays well, but you cannot get hired there until after specialization. Same with Sweden, but they pay less than Norway does. Switzerland pays the best during residency (and better than the US), but it is non-EU, and there are some new unfortunate wrinkles between the EU and Switzerland thanks to the elections from a week or two back... plus they have stringent language requirements and it is not very easy to get hired here. Competition is very strong because of the salaries and the health care system. (Full disclosure: I work in Switzerland... totally got lucky.) And you still work very hard here, in the surgical specialties especially. Not as bad as the US, but it ain't easy.

    Learning the local language is not some little side project. It requires a lot of work and decent fluency to be able to function as a physician in a foreign language, and it is not easy. Most countries will require B2 (now as a bare minimum) and the requirements are increasing. For example, Germany was requiring B2-level fluency for a number of years, but most recruiters now want to see at least C1 or even C2 fluency before working with a candidate. That requires a lot of effort and cannot be pieced together in just a couple of months. Also, medical vocabulary in a foreign tongue is tough to master... I have learned that the hard way.

    3. Does being a non-EU mean nearly 0% of residency chance in EU countries? If the answer is yes I’ll try to become EU using investments during my studies.

    That depends on the country. UK is almost certainly out for a non EU/UK citizen, at least as things currently stand. Germany is presently open for foreigners with excellent language and clinical skills, but who knows how things will play out in 5-6 years. France is out, forget about it. Sweden and Norway currently hire foreigners, but only after specialization. If you have the wherewithal to get EU citizenship during medical school via investment, and are interested in working in the EU, then DO SO. You are lucky indeed to be in that sort of a financial situation, take full advantage of it.

    4. Should my last two years of Clinicals? Rotations? Clerkship? be done in the country or hospital I wish to work afterwards in order to have higher possibility in residency or is it not relevant?

    It is absolutely relevant and can help a lot, depending on where you want to work. If you want to work in France it will not matter one whit where you complete clinical rotations, because you will not be hired there without EU citizenship. (So again, if you can get an EU passport, do it as soon as possible. Your life will be much easier in that regard.) If you want to work/train in Germany, it will help a lot... assuming you speak good German and make a positive impression.

    So yes, rotate through places where you want to work. If(f) you are a good student and you can speak the local language well, then you will be able to make good contacts with decision makers who hire residents, as well as getting good letters of recommendation.

    Hope that helps. Good luck.

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    Dear Devdoc

    Thank you very much for replying. I've learned a lot from your reply.
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