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    Hello,

    I'm wondering if anyone has information about transferring FROM semmelweis to anywhere not in eastern Europe? Particularly I'm thinking Spain, Italy, UAE? I have 1 semester of anatomy and chemistry completed, technically 2nd year though... Any helpful information is a life saver. Thanks!

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    AlSiqilli hi,

    The only thing I can say is that Italy would be the worst option for me. I dont have a positive impression about medical system in Italy, even for her natives, let alone international students. I dont suggest Italy option, neither as the base education nor residency.

    Would you like to talk about Semmelweis? Of course if you will feel better

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    Talk about semmelweis... where do I start? And how much truth can I spill without fear of someone from there seeing it, and then I magically fail every exam I ever take from now on? If anyone is considering going there, I strongly strongly urge you to consider somewhere else. Honestly I don't know ONE international student who truly enjoys it here. A few try to enjoy it, not speak badly about it etc, but even they know they are fooling themselves. Semmelweis itself it bad enough, but then add living in hungary... even if you've visited before, living here is completely different, and you'll never (luckily) understand how bad it is to live here unless you do. Let's put it this way, almost every hungarian I talk to doesn't even like hungary. Then while you're just dealing with an extremely unpleasant daily life, go to an insane school with a complete lack of structure, fairness, and responsibility...

    So for transfer, there is a list of foreign medical schools accepted by the medical board of California that I'd like to follow:

    mbc.ca.gov/applicant/schools_recognized.html

    Here's the problem: I'd like to learn in English. The only medical schools with accepted english programs are in eastern europe, so definitely NOT an option (that's what I've learned here so far). So either I can pick a good school even if it's not accepted in CA, or learn in another language that won't be to hard to learn in. (I already somewhat speak Spanish, Italian, French... but worried about grasping topics well enough to pass medical school in them.) One of my best friends said he could send me to Adana (Turkey) where his dad is a doctor... At this point I'm willing to consider any option that gets me out of here as soon as possible. So I really appreciate all the help!

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    ... I've been focusing on Spain, just giving in to the fact that I guess I'll have to get perfectly comfortable in Spanish real fast, but I've heard some schools especially in Madrid just want money like semmelweis too, so I'm very worried to spend so much time, money, and energy leaving one rape to get to another.

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    ...And how much truth can I spill without fear of someone from there seeing it, and then I magically fail every exam I ever take from now on?...
    You fear. Incredibly you dont feel safe and you fear from the system of Semmelweis. Do you think that they get personal in judgement of the students?

    ...If anyone is considering going there, I strongly strongly urge you to consider somewhere else. Honestly I don't know ONE international student who truly enjoys it here. A few try to enjoy it, not speak badly about it etc, but even they know they are fooling themselves. Semmelweis itself it bad enough, but then add living in hungary... even if you've visited before, living here is completely different, and you'll never (luckily) understand how bad it is to live here unless you do. Let's put it this way, almost every hungarian I talk to doesn't even like hungary...
    Is there a general unhappiness, or how to say, dissatisfaction? Why is that?

    ...go to an insane school with a complete lack of structure, fairness, and responsibility...
    Can you develop this point alSiqilli? By the respect of unfair judgement of the a prof, I have heard something too, but I dont know what exactly you mean with this description..

    ...I'd like to learn in English. The only medical schools with accepted english programs are in eastern europe, so definitely NOT an option (that's what I've learned here so far)...
    O-o! We dont have a good idea about those Hungarian, Polish, Czech... all of those med schools I think. Do you think that they are similar?

    ...but worried about grasping topics well enough to pass medical school in them...
    Thats a very sound worry, yes, to learn medical subjects in a language you dont know very well will be a guarantee to fail. Your choice of language, English, is the best for you, other than your own mother tongue.

    ...One of my best friends said he could send me to Adana (Turkey) where his dad is a doctor... At this point I'm willing to consider any option that gets me out of here as soon as possible. So I really appreciate all the help!..
    alSaqilli there isnt a med school which is in Adana or around and teaching in English. But you can try Cerrahpasa/Istanbul, Marmara/Istanbul or Hacettepe/Ankara, they have English programs and Cerrahpasa has CMB approval. BUT, you cant transfer to any Turkish med schools (or any other quality school in EU), you need to start from scratch.

    ...I have 1 semester of anatomy and chemistry completed, technically 2nd year though...
    Sorry but I couldnt understand what exactly this is Does it mean, you are in 2nd year, and completed 1 semestr Anatomy and 1 semestr Chemistry? If yes, then there must be some courses from 1st year you retake, am I right?

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    ... I KNOW they get personal in the judgments of students, I've seen students blackmailed when they have a completely valid complaint that they decide to stick up for themselves about. I've seen it.

    Yes, there is a HUGE general unhappiness. The problem is people don't do absolutely anything about it. Maybe because no one has any idea HOW to do anything about it. Also some people don't have another option so they try to just forget about these problems... which ends in tears, being depressed and/or needing medication. Again, I've seen it. Many, many, many times.

    Yes I'm repeating chemistry and anatomy from 1st semester, though I'm finishing my 3rd semester. Anatomy - failed once rightfully, I admit it. Failed a second time because my examiner was a prof who is now not allowed to give final exams because of failing too many people. All 5 other guys in my class failed as well (all 14 girls passed). Not surprising considering during midterms, we all noticed our names were skipped if there was a good looking girl somewhere next on the list... There are many profs who fail most people, so I don't know why just this one was removed for too many fails, besides the fact that his English is entirely incomprehensible... Chemistry - I had FOUR semesters of it in the US, all passing. The first semester exam here, failed by 2 points, second time by 1 point. Never got my 3rd chance as allowed by each semester's tuition fee. (Same with anatomy, no 3rd chance) Some people have passed after missing the exam by 1 point, not me though. So again this semester now, failed by 2 points, then the second time I didn't even check my failing score. The funny part about this chemistry exam is that it has nothing to do with the class. One of many such exams in many classes. I won't go into how people pass because I don't know who's on here... but I'm about to fail this entire first semester class because of basically bad luck, again. I don't expect you to understand, because no one does until they're here and in the same situation (it's that unbelievable), but I hope I could explain it in somewhat of an understandable way. For another example, statistics class. I did very well, top grades, in the class and on the midterms... failed the first chance of the final with almost NO points earned! By the third chance I barely passed.

    I've had Cerrahpasa and Hacettepe recommended a few times! I am a bit worried about the transfer ability there though. If they are good schools though, there would be no need to transfer, except maybe back to the US for a final year or two.

    I'm just hoping for information about a GOOD school, at this point in any western European language that will accept a transfer before 2nd year. And if my story can help someone not make a decision (hungary) that will discourage them to the point of almost quitting on your lifelong career goal and/or clinical depression, that's really wonderful.

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    Ah, another example... 3rd semester biochemistry. 70 people take the exam, less than 20 will pass. That IS semmelweis, no further explanation needed.
    Another midterm in that biochemistry class - teacher told the entire class not to worry about a certain topic, that they will definitely not test on it. Turns out it was most of the exam and everyone failed, and no one could do anything about it. They tried too.

    My friend's grade book was held hostage by a department because someone ELSE broke some glassware. She had to pay over $100 for something that was in no way her fault so she could get her book back. I wonder how many other people "broke" something...

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    I simply didnt know that it was that.. I dont know how to express this, its simply sad to hear that one of the schools we think to be good is this!

    So there is sexism. Incredible.

    For another example, statistics class. I did very well, top grades, in the class and on the midterms... failed the first chance of the final with almost NO points earned!
    alSiqilli just to be fair and not to be judgemental about the school I ask this: may it be related with you yourself? Say for instance you may be great in oral exam but not good in expressing yourself in written form.. or maybe until midterms in time you lose your concentration on the subject and cant be clear in giving the details.. or something like that? "NO points earned" is something really unimaginable!

    May I aks are you from US? Your name gave me an impression of an Arabic name

    I've had Cerrahpasa and Hacettepe recommended a few times! I am a bit worried about the transfer ability there though
    Unfortunately they dont get transfer students.. not a chance! You need to start from scratch. But they are really good schools, no problem at that point. But if you consider to work in EU, you cant get an EU recognition, Turkey is not an EU country.

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    I guess Turkey is kind of out of the question then

    I shouldn't say my nationality here ;-) As far as exams, doing well during the class and failing finals... yes, I did fail the final with almost no points earned, and I was getting top grades during the semester. I didn't lose concentration, I studied like I needed to, the midterms were on paper, the final was on the computer. But as usual, the exam had very little to do with the class. Statistics had more to do with the semester than chemistry, but for stats we were not once taught how to do things in the way we were asked to on the exam. And it was very, very, very different. As I mentioned it's very standard for more than 50-75% of students to fail an exam here. MORE THAN 50-75% failing. Standard.

    I just really need to find information about a real school to transfer to... I checked into the United Arab Emirated University medical school in Al Ain, but they only take Emirati nationals as far as I found out. There are none in Dubai or Abu Dhabi accepted in California. Spain teaches only in Spanish as far as I know (still looks like my first choice at this point), Italy sounds good also, but I hear San Raffaele is having lots of money trouble right now, and other than that I'm out of ideas and very worried about it, because staying is not an option and I think it's much too early to try a US transfer...

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    I'm sorry, but transferring to a US medical school is out of the question. You would need to already have a 4-year university degree (from a US or Canadian university) with excellent marks, top scores on the MCAT, and US citizenship or a green card... and even then it would be a far-less-than-one-percent chance. Most US medical schools accept no international transfers at all, and the few that do have just a couple of seats each year.

    Yes, you may be able to work in the US someday with a foreign medical degree, but you essentially cannot transfer into a US medical school... especially if you are repeating failed classes.

    (I'm honestly not trying to depress you, but I want you to understand the realities of the process. Good luck in finding the right school for you...)

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