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    Transfer FROM semmelweis

    Hello,

    I'm wondering if anyone has information about transferring FROM semmelweis to anywhere not in eastern Europe? Particularly I'm thinking Spain, Italy, UAE? I have 1 semester of anatomy and chemistry completed, technically 2nd year though... Any helpful information is a life saver. Thanks!

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    Thank you very much for your info... yes, I know it's very hard to get into the US and Canada. That's why I left there in the first place. Not as much that it's very hard, but also that it just takes a very long time between undergrad, MCAT, applying, starting, etc. I definitely made the best decision I could at the time with semmelweis, but it's because the hungarian recruiters got to me first AND a lot of people don't have the guts to write how it really is here. Though I don't know if words can even really describe it. So in the process of trying to find ANY way out of here while hoping to find a good school, I hope I can at least put the information out there that I wish I saw. Thanks If anyone has info about ANY EU or Middle East schools, I think those would be the best bet...

    PS I'm already depressed devildoc, don't worry, you didn't do it hahah.

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    You could probably apply for admission in Bulgaria and receive consideration for your completed coursework, but you have to submit that after being admitted as a first year student. There are no guarantees, because each department head reviews the completed coursework individually and makes a decision as to whether or not it is acceptable for credit, acceptable pending an examination, partially-acceptable, or not acceptable. Still, Bulgaria would at least be an option.

    I have been a little leery of Semmelweis since the recent political changes in Hungary have become a concern. The school has a good reputation, but they had better be careful with it! Good luck, alSiqilli... remember that there are other paths to your goal. It will just take some flexibility, determination, and a lot of hard work.

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    So, so, so aware of the hard work needed hahah. I'm willing to do it as to be a doctor you need to be... the problem with semmelweis is that you do more hard work than other medical schools (I have a lot of medical school friends around the world, we have to work harder and deal with more crap) and you fail. That will really mess up your head!!! I need a future that's not based on luck, kissing *****, and having an israeli passport As far as Bulgaria goes, I would LOVE to visit one day soon! But to move and live there, I'm sure you can understand not jumping right into that after coming from this hell here. Of course I'm not comparing, I truly honestly believe there are not many worse places than hungary... some friends have named it a 4th world country because they're 3rd world and think they're 1st lol ;-) Their words. I really think Spain is looking like what it will be so far... bueno, vamos...

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    bidiboom! I saw your post on another thread and it made me think about Turkey again! Cerrahpasa and Hacettepe especially, though I know coming from Budapest that WHERE I live is much more important than I thought. I need a big city with quite open minded people and lots of recreation. So I'm a bit worried about Ankara, because it's smaller than Istanbul (what isn't? lol) and I've never been there. But if you said Marmara (as well as Hacettepe) are applying for CMB certification in English, I'm sure they'll get it and maybe the two in Istanbul would be a good option... you say no matter what I'd have to start over though? And the tuition is so affordable like you said?

    At this point nothing matters as much as leaving hungary though. And if it's a great school, and I want to be a great student, I'm sure any exams for my degree recognition won't be a problem after. Thanks SO much for your help!

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    I don't really understand how having an Israeli passport or just being ethnically Israeli will affect how well you can do. I can imagine, for example, a Muslim or a colored person facing discrimination in school in any European country. I really don't want to get into politics and all, but most of us have a pretty good idea of Israel's role in the whole world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epimed View Post
    I don't really understand how having an Israeli passport or just being ethnically Israeli will affect how well you can do. I can imagine, for example, a Muslim or a colored person facing discrimination in school in any European country. I really don't want to get into politics and all, but most of us have a pretty good idea of Israel's role in the whole world.
    Epimed, I think its just like in Jagiellonian : They get investment from another country (Debrecen in Hungary gets support from Israel, Jagiellonian in Poland gets from Norway), and they raise the kids of those countries in return. The point is that do you trust the school, its administration, academic quality or not. I have known that in Debrecen there was a serious Israeli kid population, but I didnt know that it was in Semmelweis too.. (a question to alSaqilli: is Semmelweis too well populated by Israeli students, can you say that, or did you mean Hungary in general?)

    And epimed, to be well populated by a specific group of people (like Israelis) doesnt directly mean that there will be discrimination about muslims or coloured people, but its always riskier, for these kind of grounds are prone to turn to clubs, which in time may create a discriminative ground.

    But out of this student population question, i think Hungary, France, especially those countries are socially pretty discriminative. This is their state of mind and I know that the people of subject to discrimination can feel suffocated pretty much in both countries, especially in France. In Hungary they dont have a specific phenotype to discriminate, it looks they rather have a general problem of kind of an arrogance.
    But for Poland I didnt sniff that air still! There is somewhat social awkwardness about foreigners there too, but I think its at the level of unfamiliarity, not discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alSiqilli View Post
    ...I shouldn't say my nationality here ;-) ...
    Ok honey, I wont say you are a visitor from Mars..shhh!

    ...the midterms were on paper, the final was on the computer. But as usual, the exam had very little to do with the class. Statistics had more to do with the semester than chemistry, but for stats we were not once taught how to do things in the way we were asked to on the exam. And it was very, very, very different. As I mentioned it's very standard for more than 50-75% of students to fail an exam here. MORE THAN 50-75% failing. Standard...
    Ahh-haa!!! Thats very much important! Why is that, do you have any idea? I just try to understand: may it be a classical European system of theoretical education in class, but USMLE form of tests? I try to get a positive clue and see whether its still possible to stay and somehow reconcile these differences between class studies and finals. If its in USMLE format, then with some USMLE books and CDs you can even turn it to something good for your own future, which you plan in US.

    ...I checked into the United Arab Emirated...
    No darling, if you ask me, never ever try any Middle Eastern school, I say. Years ago (I am a 45 year old non-traditional, so I follow all relevant articles for years ) I have read an article in Time magazine about prestigious US/UK schools which had campuses in Middle East as well, and the rector of one of them explicitly was saying how they had to get the bar lower and change the curricula in their ME schools, since the kids of that region had a problem to follow the real curricula. So for less education you pay a lot more there!

    There are always options, dont feel under pressure, but can we first pass through the points I asked above?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alSiqilli View Post
    bidiboom! I saw your post on another thread and it made me think about Turkey again! Cerrahpasa and Hacettepe especially, though I know coming from Budapest that WHERE I live is much more important than I thought. I need a big city with quite open minded people and lots of recreation. So I'm a bit worried about Ankara, because it's smaller than Istanbul (what isn't? lol) and I've never been there. But if you said Marmara (as well as Hacettepe) are applying for CMB certification in English, I'm sure they'll get it and maybe the two in Istanbul would be a good option... you say no matter what I'd have to start over though? And the tuition is so affordable like you said?

    At this point nothing matters as much as leaving hungary though. And if it's a great school, and I want to be a great student, I'm sure any exams for my degree recognition won't be a problem after. Thanks SO much for your help!
    Istanbul is, yes, a cosmopolitan metropolis, even bigger than some countries. We can develop this point as much as you like, no poblem, but there are other options as well. I would love to see you here, I give any info you want to have about Istanbul, Turkey and the schools, as much as I can, no problem at that point, please dont misunderstand me, but just lets talk a lot for now and see all of the options, huh?

    ...At this point nothing matters as much as leaving hungary though...
    alSaqilli this mood is something to share with friends and we are here for that, ok, but its not a mood to make a decision. It may give harm to yourself, not Semmelweis. First lets talk and talk, later you are the sole owner of your life and you decide in whichever way you want. For now just lets talk and calm down altogether, ok?

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    In Debrecen, the Israelis run the school. But this is not why I'm here.
    To the poster, have you ever considered going back to your country and bracing all medical school admission requirements? I'm not particularly happy living and studying in Debrecen either. But to be fair to the school, I've never passed any exams I deserved to fail or failed any exams I deserved to pass.
    One of the many problems, IMHO, is the lack of a universal marking scheme for oral exams. A few basic knowledge are enough for, say, professor A, while even the most detailed explanations are not enough to impress professor B. Thus, it's commonplace to find a student who barely studies pass a given exams just on account of how lucky they are with whom examined them.
    For me, yes, I have this worrying feeling that I don't learn as much as I ought to as a medical student from my clinical practices in Debrecen (and thus hugely rely on youtube videos for clinical skills acquision, which keeps me wondering why I'm paying tuition fees in the first place), but unfortunately the structures in Debrecen are better than the best medical school in my country. So, I can't complain.
    But I understand if you're from a much, much better country than Hungary (Western Europe, America, Japan etc), you'll be more than dissatisfied and frustrated here. The more reason you should consider transferring back home, IMHO.
    International students remain a potential body of exploit for any university wherever you go. Although the quality of the education they get varies.
    Good luck in your endeavours.
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