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    The Truth Abt Hungarian Medical Schools

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    Hey Guys!

    Well, I have to introduce myself first. I just graduated from SOTE. So, I am part of Class of 2010.

    I read all the comments from other threads and I agree completely with Anthony peterson, _medical_student_hungary, etc.

    All these guys have been disappointed by Hungary and, so have i.

    The bottom line is: you not gonna learnt anything from the Uni. You have to study everything by urself with/without help of ur friends.

    And, I would like to add some things as well:
    The diploma is recognised in the EU but only if you are an EU-national. So, if you are a non-EU national, forget abt automatic recognition. Countries such as UK or France will impose that you do exams before your degree is recognised.

    Also, there are many foreign countries who do not automatically recognise the hungarian diplomas though, those countries automatically recognise diplomas from Germany or austria.

    You wont have any clinical knowledge if you do your 6th yr in Hungary.

    Normally, for all the 'written' exams, you have more than 75% of the ques in advance.

    And all the medical universities in hungary are ranked in the 1500s (ranked worldwide)

    There are so many issues with the studies mainly because nothing is organised and hungarians are the most arrogant people who will ever meet. Nothing is ever their fault.

    So, choose Hungarian medical universities only as a backup plan.

    AND I DARE ANYONE TO PROVE WHATEVER I JUST WROTE WRONG.

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    Hey,
    I completely agree 100%. I got out when it was becoming blatantly obvious that it wasn't the right path for me. (I'm from North America). Since you stayed and finished I do have a few questions.

    Were there people that were failed or failed on their own in the upper years such as 3rd, 4th, etc.?
    I unfortunately was not able to get my hands on those question banks. I didnt belong to any of the BIG GROUPS and so was always shocked to find how much info they had between them etc...
    anyways,
    What were the clinicals like, did you basically walk around with the profs and they just showed you or did they get you involved? Have you talked to students who finished in other countries and were able to compare somewhat the knowledge between what you learned and what they learned.

    Again, I hope you can answer some of these questions I have. Im only wondering how it usually plays out in the end for the students, since so much time and effort is put into all of it. It also seems really expensive for the type of education one gets and facilities used. I still wonder why they let so many kids in that they know they will fail out, seems very malicious.
    Thanks

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    Hey Unknown959!

    Once you get into the 3rd yr, noone fails. Basically, they just pass you even if you know nothing. I personally know people who was not even Hungary and finished the med school. They just came in during the exams period for the exams. Their attendance were put by fellow students.

    I dont belong to the Big groups either. You perfectly know it then. I had to suck up for those ques. And without those ques, its virtually impossible to pass the exams. And this even applies to the Board exams that they have at the end of 6th yr.

    Clinical practice is just walking around. And basically students are not involved at all. You see a patient and then go into a room where the teacher talks abt it. There are even 'clinical' practice where you never see any patients (orthopedics). Another example is Surgery. Everybody will tell that its the most ridiculous dept.

    These even applies to the 6th yr when its supposed to be only clinicals. Basically you just go in around 9 and leave around 10. And this is when you are motivated to go. Its like its a pain-in-the-*** for them when you show up for the practice!

    I did most of 6th yr abroad. Thats when I learnt everything clinical. Students from other universities do know much more in terms of clinical knowledge. Theoretical knowledge is abt the same but no way to put it in practice.

    Now some might wonder why I'm telling these things. Because I do feel bad for the new ones joining the uni. I missed my opportunity to transfer to another country when I had the chance.
    I just wanna let the new ones, who are planning to come to Hungary, know that if you still have a chance or have a choice of universities, do make the correct choice. In hungary, everything is abt money!

    p.s Virtually none of the teachers/prof will know ur name as they dont even bother to ask who is who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSote2010 View Post
    Hey Unknown959!

    Once you get into the 3rd yr, noone fails. Basically, they just pass you even if you know nothing. I personally know people who was not even Hungary and finished the med school. They just came in during the exams period for the exams. Their attendance were put by fellow students.

    I dont belong to the Big groups either. You perfectly know it then. I had to suck up for those ques. And without those ques, its virtually impossible to pass the exams. And this even applies to the Board exams that they have at the end of 6th yr.

    Clinical practice is just walking around. And basically students are not involved at all. You see a patient and then go into a room where the teacher talks abt it. There are even 'clinical' practice where you never see any patients (orthopedics). Another example is Surgery. Everybody will tell that its the most ridiculous dept.

    These even applies to the 6th yr when its supposed to be only clinicals. Basically you just go in around 9 and leave around 10. And this is when you are motivated to go. Its like its a pain-in-the-*** for them when you show up for the practice!

    I did most of 6th yr abroad. Thats when I learnt everything clinical. Students from other universities do know much more in terms of clinical knowledge. Theoretical knowledge is abt the same but no way to put it in practice.

    Now some might wonder why I'm telling these things. Because I do feel bad for the new ones joining the uni. I missed my opportunity to transfer to another country when I had the chance.
    I just wanna let the new ones, who are planning to come to Hungary, know that if you still have a chance or have a choice of universities, do make the correct choice. In hungary, everything is abt money!

    p.s Virtually none of the teachers/prof will know ur name as they dont even bother to ask who is who.
    But would u say u were happy with the pre clinical education,even?have you applied for residency in the states and all that,like?

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    Even the Pre-clinical education is not worth it. You wont learn anything from them. You have to study by yourself with the pre-prepared student notes and you will need the ques banks to pass the exams. Without these, no way you will fail.

    As far as I know, noone matched/got a residency place in the states from my class this yr.

    Yeah, something that I remembered. SOTE has no international agreement with any other countries/universities. The only agreement that it has is with NYMC for clinical rotations (english program).
    When i started 6yr ago, it was still in the 5th-pathway program but the agreement was cancelled because SOTE does not meet the required minimum standards. (this is the reason we were told from the usa authorities. we had to find out by ourselves. forget abt the uni telling you anything)

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    Welcome to Eastern Europe... isn't that how things roll here, in general? FWIW, I would be thrilled to have clinical rotations at NYMC. Did you take advantage of them?

    Did you, or any of your graduating classmates, take the USMLE Steps? Are you (or they) ECFMG certified? Did you (or they) take care of these elements before graduation? Because if not, then you are right... ain't nobody doing a US residency from your class this year.

    I am not trying to poop on your parade, here, but it is not SOTE's responsibility to make sure that you are ECFMG certified. (Considering the general levels of organization and customer service in this part of the world, would you really want them in charge of that important element, anyway?)

    You, and you alone, bear that burden. (And yes, there are four other fingers pointing right back at me, too. I am responsible for making sure that I am ECFMG certified when I graduate from my school, because nobody else is going to do it for me.) It's a lot of extra stress and work, and I know that many of the students who come to Eastern Europe do not familiarize themselves with the requirements, but let's be honest here... the school isn't going to make it happen. They don't know how, they don't really care, and they are generally incapable of doing so (linguistically or otherwise) to begin with.

    Are you going to apply for next year's Match, or what is the game plan?

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    @devildoc8404

    most graduates are ecfmg certified. yup doing the steps, etc is entirely the student's responsibility. never said otherwise.

    I just wanna give the new ones a head-up to what they can expect in Hungary. If they come with big expectations, they are bound to be disappointed!

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    most graduates are ecfmg certified.

    Wow. That bites...

    yup doing the steps, etc is entirely the student's responsibility. never said otherwise.

    Do you also have students there, though, who are clueless about what is required? It drives me crazy!

    I just wanna give the new ones a head-up to what they can expect in Hungary.

    Yeah, I hear you. I think it is probably similar to here. I'm to the point now where I actively advise people to consider about 100 other places first.

    If they come with big expectations, they are bound to be disappointed!

    We're not in Kansas any more, Toto!

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    then where would you recommend to study medicine in eastern europe other than hungary?

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    so you said most of the graduates are ecfmg certified that is a big step forward, isn't it? do you happen to know if they make grades on USMLE's?

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