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    MikeMolder is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    why does bitterness = Hungary

    When I first wrote this thread I tried to explain why people were so bitter over their Hungarian medical school experience. I deleted that original introduction I gave. If one wants to understand why individuals are bitter over Hungary, then one should also look to why individuals are happy with Hungarian medical schools. I hate to admit this, however, very few people are in fact satisfied with their Hungarian medical school experience. Me myself have never repeated a year and I am going to my 4th year this September. I get decent grades 3, 4, and 5...I'm not the smartest, however, truth be told I never gave it my all in Hungary. This is because I focus more on nailing the USMLE then studying material that is irrelevant for the USMLE. All my friends in Hungarian medical schools hate Hungarian medical schools. Yes, we all are passing. Yes, we completed the dreadful first three years. You see, Hungarian medical schools give you a great education and an opportunity to study medicine when none of us were given the chance in our own countries. So, all of us kind of ended up there by default. Whether or not you are passing, you don't want to be there. The only difference between the bitterness of those that pass and those that fail, is that those that pass did what they needed to do to get the job done so they can get heck out of that hole in the ground we all know as Hungary. So, I guess you can say even those that pass and get great grades still are bitter over Hungary, however, they deal with their bitterness with maturity. They know that the bitterness is only for 6 years and then they can go back to start a fresh new life as doctors. We are the ants working hard, while the grass hoppers play. We are the turtles taking our time, while the hares fade away. Corny and a bit gay but true. "We" the hard working students of Hungarian medical schools are bitter. Why? ITS HUNGARY FOR PETE'S SAKE...IF YOU LIKE IT THEN YOU ARE PROBABLY FROM ANTARCTICA OR IRAN (just kidding about Iran...I got some good friends from there) . We keep the bitterness at a minimal, and sometimes talk about it as we criticize the schools faults when we are bored before class or in the Metro (subway) going to another.
    Now what about those who are posting hate blogs that are bitter for the whole world to see. Well...a simple answer to why they are so bitter is...................they failed. They need to vent so they come on the internet to do it. They can't vent like the rest of us before class, because they no longer have any more classes. They failed. They no longer have the opportunity to go back to their country and reap the sweet fruits of success, they simply have a bitter taste in their mouths. They failed. Every Hungarian medical student I know mocks the Hungarian system and everything "that is Hungary". I'm not saying that's ok, but its normal human behavior, and we all need to mature...including my self. Sometimes we forget that if we were not studying here in Hungary we would be in our home countries doing God knows what. It is also normal human behavior for a failure to be extremely bitter. But let me leave you with this final note...when "YOU" the bitter-blogger (as I like to call you), failed in your home country (by failed, I mean "failed" to get accepted into one of your home countries medical schools), did you blame the school system or your country? However, when you came to Hungary and failed here, who did you blame? I think the answer is obvious. Go become men before you decide to become doctors (and for the little girls who fail...well...your already little girls so theres not much more I can mock).
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    is it as bad as everyone is making out ?

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    Its not that its baaaaaaaaad...its just that its not what you are usually used to. If you are coming from lets say...the USA (as my self), you are used to the people working in the administrations being more nice to you. If you are from lets say...Sweden, you are used to the system being more organized. If you are from lets say...Israel, you are used to cheating but not that blatantly obvious in broad daylight in front of a teacher (and it is definitely not tolerated if you are caught). The idea is that there are many things in Hungarian medical schools that will make you miserable and piss you off, however, it is those that persevere that will eventually become doctors. I don't believe that Hungarian medical schools are necessarily as hard as people put them out to be, I simply believe that the people who could not get into medical schools in their own countries (one being myself) go to Hungary. What does that mean? It means we are not the cream of the crop to begin with. However, it does not mean we still can't finish medical school and get the same jobs and pay as the people who did not have to come to Hungary. So, basically almost everyone who is in Hungary does not want to be there, that's probably why its as "BAD" as people say it is. Stockholm, Oslo, Tel Aviv, Tehran, California, New York, Tokyo, Dubai, Paris, Berlin, London ARE NOT BUDAPEST...SO DON'T EXPECT TO BE HAPPY WHEN YOU GET HERE. Also, don't expect to be a doctor just because you got accepted (all you need is to how who to speak English basically), because if you do then you will probably be on this website ranting because you failed to understand that you actually have to study to become a doctor in Hungary...Probably even more than in your home country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AVVVOOIID_HUNNGARY View Post
    Hi there MikeMolder, your initial post is very sincere filled with very useful information.

    In order to help possible newcomers to get a more accurate picture of the university you are studying in, can you tell me how many students were in your class when you started your studies and how many students are now that you are in the 3rd year? Give some detailed numbers if you can.

    Also, did you need any lessons other than the university offered, like private lessons or lessons taken with a group of other students under a paid instructor?

    Your response to my post will be highly appreciated.

    avoid hungary is a renowned failure of a Hungarian medical school. Please ignore him.
    btw I am from the U.S., and thoroughly enjoyed my Hungarian experience. With the exception of one living arrangement, which has nothing to do with quality of apartment, or landlord.
    People in administration were extremely helpful.
    Budapest is amazing.
    Last edited by whattupdog6969; 09-01-2009 at 12:53 PM.
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    MikeMolder is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by whattupdog6969 View Post
    avoid hungary is a renowned failure of a Hungarian medical school. Please ignore him.
    btw I am from the U.S., and thoroughly enjoyed my Hungarian experience. With the exception of one living arrangement, which has nothing to do with quality of apartment, or landlord.
    People in administration were extremely helpful.
    Budapest is amazing.
    Yes, its true people in the administration "can" be helpful "at times", however, more often then not, this is not the case. One small example is if the English secretariat office opens at 1:00, they won't open the doors until 1:20. This is somewhat of a big deal because sometimes they are only open for 1 and a half hours. There are dozens of other examples but unless someone wants to know, I wont say it. Also thanx for the the heads up on avoid Hung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMolder View Post
    Yes, its true people in the administration "can" be helpful "at times", however, more often then not, this is not the case. One small example is if the English secretariat office opens at 1:00, they won't open the doors until 1:20. This is somewhat of a big deal because sometimes they are only open for 1 and a half hours. There are dozens of other examples but unless someone wants to know, I wont say it. Also thanx for the the heads up on avoid Hung.

    Yeah you don't trust someone who is always negative. Debrecen is not a perfect place. It is good though. Sorry about the secretariat issue.
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    The English secretariat is not the worst, because to be honest allot of the students are a bit disrespectful, so the people who work there are probably just sick of years of dealing with immature and disrespectful student behavior. Also, on another note the German secretariat at Semmelweis is said to be one of the most organized and polite offices. Maybe a little will rub off on their English counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMolder View Post
    The English secretariat is not the worst, because to be honest allot of the students are a bit disrespectful, so the people who work there are probably just sick of years of dealing with immature and disrespectful student behavior. Also, on another note the German secretariat at Semmelweis is said to be one of the most organized and polite offices. Maybe a little will rub off on their English counterparts.

    my advice, do not dwell on minor issues such as this. Look at the bigger picture. Examination schedule is rigorous, and it is a tough University. It is hard to make that transition at first, but you will realize that it is a necessary one.
    Becoming a successful medical student at this University is one of the hardest things that you will ever accomplish in youre lifetime.
    Things will often not go you're way. If things go you're way in Debrecen, more often than not, then you are incredibly lucky.
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