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    SAT Scores 1800+ will get you in 2nd faculty?

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    I am an american and i saw that on the website if you get circa 1800+ total on the 3 SAT subject tests you can get in?
    Is this a guarantee? What other factors determine acceptance if i go this route?

    Also, what is the major difference between second and 1st and why do you think the second faculty has this option? thanks

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    First Faculty has 50 state approval in the US.
    Second Faculty does not.
    That is a pretty significant difference if you plan to return to the US for training/practice, especially after 2016 (which would be when you would graduate).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tizscott1 View Post
    I am an american and i saw that on the website if you get circa 1800+ total on the 3 SAT subject tests you can get in?
    Is this a guarantee? What other factors determine acceptance if i go this route?

    Also, what is the major difference between second and 1st and why do you think the second faculty has this option? thanks
    Each faculty has its own entrance requirements. But like Devildoc said, if you intend on returning to the States and practicing there, then First Faculty would be your best bet as it does have CA approval. You do have to do the entrance exam if you want to attend the First Fac though.


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    are you sure? i see you guys were talking about this CA approval in 2010 for the 2nd faculty were they proven wrong? also, on their website it says it is recognized in the US on a federal level and you can ask them to give you the graduate/residency acceptance rate which i guess i should do...lastly, how hard is it to transfer to the first faculty once your in the second?

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    Um, yeah, pretty dang sure. Feel free to check for yourself, though. Hell, it is easy enough to do: Medical Schools Recognized | Medical Board of California

    (Yes, the name of the school itself is there... Remember that the ENGLISH program must be specifically mentioned, or else it is not included in the approval.) You can verify that Second Faculty still does not have CMB approval based on the link above, meaning that there are somewhere between 8-12 states where you cannot train/practice/some-combination-of-the-two if you graduate from that program. Note also that transferring from an unapproved program into an approved program does not grandfather you into the approval for that school, according to California law. You would have to start all over again at year one in order to have your degree approved. (Stupid rule, perhaps, but feel free to take that up with California. Don't shoot the messenger.)

    OK... so "recognized on the federal level" means what, exactly? It is a fancy sounding phrase that could be construed about 100 different ways. It is, for all intents and purposes, a marketing slogan. Almost any medical school in the world that is listed on IMED is "recognized on the federal level" in that you could find a place to practice in the US if you ran the freaking gauntlet (graduated from there, passed the boards, matched into a US residency, and got a job in a state that accepted the degree for licensure). If the school is approved for US federal loans, then that is great. Most in the E-EU are not. That does not guarantee anything when it comes to licensing or state degree acceptance, though. They are separate issues entirely.

    Finally, getting (accurate) residency placement rates from the admin an E-EU school is an uphill battle (like, uphill in an ice storm wearing slippery galoshes and no pants). Good luck with that. My experience is that most schools, even the very good ones in the region, do not keep those kinds of records. Others will pull a number with little-to-no basis in reality out of their butts. Others (probably most) will ignore your request or give you the East Bloc Runaround until you forget or go crazy or scream at them.
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    this is really interesting...not even the English programs in Italy that require the IMAT are recognized on the CA board. But their are 49 other states? why are you referring specifically to CA?

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    Read up on this, (here and elsewhere), because it matters. Noooo, the degrees are NOT accepted in 49 other states. It is nowhere near that simple. CMB is important, assuming you want to try to pop on back to the USA for residency.

    The reason the CMB matters is because, like it or not, California is used as the "gold standard" in several other states. As I mentioned above, if California does not approve of a foreign medical school, then there is an (occasionally fluctuating) list of 8-12 other states that follow suit... to some degree or other. Some states will not allow residency or practice there, just like California itself. Other states will allow residency, but not allow practice later, such as Tennessee (I think it was Tennessee, I would have to check to make sure and I am not going to. Feel free.). Other states will not allow residency but will allow practice after several years of practice in another state, like New Mexico. California itself will now start allowing a grad from a non-approved school to practice in CA after like a decade of licensure and practice in another state, but that is a rather new development... and it takes a decade, if you really want to work in CA.

    Yes, there's a pantload of other states that do not have anything to do with the CMB list... but with the expected changes on the horizon for foreign graduates after 2016, do you really want to cut yourself off from the opportunity to match into residency in the state with the most residency programs in the US, and 8-12 other states as well? That would strike me as a bloody poor idea, from a numbers standpoint.

    I am not a fan of California, I have no interest in working there, and I am training and working in another country entirely... but it is unwise for people considering foreign medical school, and wanting to return to the US, to ignore the effect of the CMB.
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    devildoc--

    In what country are you training and where do you plan to work? What was you biggest concern when picking a 6 year medical school? Just starting my research. Trying to help my daughter figure out what her options are. She's an American who is also entitled to South African and Ukrainian citizenship, although I don't think either of those will help with medical school applications. Also fluent in Ukrainian, Russian, and nearly fluent in Spanish.

    Any insights or suggestions will be appreciated.

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    Prievet - really short answer here ... WDC1 : Apply to Russian speaking programs in the Baltic states !!

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    Yes, it can get admission easily here.

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