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    Charles Attrition Rate?

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    I was wondering what the attrition rate is at Charles First Faculty? I read somewhere is pretty high and not many people make it to graduation (I know Charles is a very prestigious university) but I could be completely wrong.

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    The First Faculty actually does have quite a high attrition rate. I think around 50-60 + students don't make it by the end of year 3. Transfers are pretty hard too (they only accept around 10 students every year from a total of 50.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by shrey View Post
    The First Faculty actually does have quite a high attrition rate. I think around 50-60 + students don't make it by the end of year 3. Transfers are pretty hard too (they only accept around 10 students every year from a total of 50.)

    From reading post about charles university i think there are a number of reasons why so many people fail out,other than the standard being very very high(which it undoubtedly is).These include
    A)the fact that charles students are usually not of the same standard as those in US,UK schools as they failed to gain entry
    B)People get homesick and decide to leave
    C)People realise medicine is not for them
    D)Some students were forced into going by their parents and dont try as hard as they should

    Just my opinion

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    True, but most of those guys usually leave by the end of the first year. That's not the case with students who didn't make it out of the 2nd and 3rd years.


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    Hi guys. I would like to know about the dental degree at charles first medical faculty whether it is highly recognised as the medical degree or is not the case

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    Recognition of the dental degree

    Hi guys, i would like to know whether the dental degree from charles first faculty is highly recognized as the medical degree or thats not the case. Thanks

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    Yes, it is. Both the dental and medical degrees are highly recognized.


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    drop out rate at eastern European schools...

    The drop out rate at Charles Universities (and the rest in the Czech Rep) is ridiculous....

    I have called most of them up and even the reps on the phone cant speak a word of English, let alone the teachers!

    I have known of people who have dropped out, but wanted to find out for myself...

    If i can get though in normal/baby English words, they can just about make out what i am talking about but will never ever release their attrition rate....i wonder why?

    some say its over 40% but i suspect higher....

    Its clear to me that Eastern Europe has become the graveyard for failed medics and these med schools are clearly raking it by giving false hope to ambitious students, most of whom should be no where near medical school.

    I have a feeling for every student success case has about 10 stories of failure following them which we dont hear about, cos at the end of the day who wants to go and broadcast failure?

    I wish there was a western European medical school, as they clearly have better standards, and have a less then 5% drop out rate, with standards comparable to the UK.

    I have found this dental school in Valencia, Spain which seems to offer dentistry in English, UCH-CEU....so maybe then will offer medicine too one day, who knows...

    Carl

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    You seem quite well-versed in the subject for someone who isn't studying there. Either that or you are talking out of your bottom.

    I have called most of them up and even the reps on the phone cant speak a word of English, let alone the teachers!

    Yes. They are Czech. The secretaries at my school don't speak English well, either. They are Bulgarian. Go figure. THEY ARE SECRETARIES. The profs (in my experience) can handle English fine because they have two or three doctoral degrees and they are, like, wicked smart. Secretaries? That isn't part of their job description. BELIEVE ME. Dealing with admin stuff in the E-EU is a pain in the butt.

    I have known of people who have dropped out, but wanted to find out for myself...

    By CALLING THEM? "Hi, what's your drop-out rate?" Sure, that will work.

    If i can get though in normal/baby English words, they can just about make out what i am talking about but will never ever release their attrition rate....i wonder why?

    NO med school trumpets its drop rate from the rooftops, kid. Even in the States.

    some say its over 40% but i suspect higher....

    Why don't you ask shrey, a student at Charles and VMD poster who is reliable and calls a spade a spade.

    Its clear to me that Eastern Europe has become the graveyard for failed medics and these med schools are clearly raking it by giving false hope to ambitious students, most of whom should be no where near medical school.

    Really? EVERY school in Eastern Europe? Wow. What a shock to Jagiellonian, Semmelweis, Warsaw, and the rest. (They have graduates around the world, you know... you should read up on it a bit before casting general aspersions.)

    Are there crappy students here? Of course there are. But the opportunity for a good education exists, and those who learn their stuff will do well on the boards and become docs. Those who don't, won't.

    I have a feeling for every student success case has about 10 stories of failure following them which we dont hear about, cos at the end of the day who wants to go and broadcast failure?

    Nobody does. But one in ten? Come on now, that was a lyric in a fine Foo Fighters song, but it's not the graduation rate at Charles.

    I wish there was a western European medical school, as they clearly have better standards, and have a less then 5% drop out rate, with standards comparable to the UK.

    That statement makes no sense. There are a LOT of western EU med schools, almost all of them have better standards than the east (some of the best in the world), some have less than 5% drop rate, and they are certainly on par with the UK.

    A word about drop rates, though. France and Belgium have some of the highest med school drop rates in the world. You can look it up. Would you deign to suggest that their medical education is sub-standard? You see, it's fairly easy to start med school in France, say, but there is a total bear of an exam called the Concours, and VERY few people pass it. If you fail, you can repeat the year and try ONE more time, if you choose. However, if you fail it a second time, you are done forever.

    So, yeah. Drop rate isn't everything, you see. There is more to the picture.

    I have found this dental school in Valencia, Spain which seems to offer dentistry in English, UCH-CEU....so maybe then will offer medicine too one day, who knows...

    Dentistry is a tricky prospect... you can't graduate from a foreign dental school and go directly to practice in the States. Check with the ADA on those requirements. And what the bleep does that have to do with your rant about Charles and E-EU schools?

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    drop out rate at eastern European schools...

    Yes, i am pretty well versed actually, having spent 3 years looking into it while doing my science degree and will be starting at UK medical school this year..

    My post it to the assumed masses out there who will probably make up there own minds and check it out themselves.....dont say i didn't warn you.

    I am sure any reasonable minded reader will take caution when seeking advice from a student who is currently at a one of these Eastern European schools or is from there...after all, who wants to crap on their own door step...

    They say these schools have prestige, but what they don't tell you is the school may have been found several hundred years ago for its native students, and this is the only part that carries any prestige. Take away the native students, studying in their own language, and you are left with lambs to the slaughter, who are paying shed loads for the to keep the rest of the faculty surviving! The English section for international students at each of these 'medical school' carries no prestige, mark my words.

    Anyone with common sense will see that these uni's pretty much take anyone who's cheque clears, and use a silly entrance exam as a smoke screen.
    In most of these uni's, (inc. Charles) its not uncommon for students to have paid for exams to pass through to the next year. Why else would they insist that the final exams have to be orally assessed (even though they can barely put a sentence in English together)?

    Asking for attrition is pretty normal, schools in the states and in the UK would tell you without twisting their arm. And no, i didn't speak to secretaries, some of them were vice-deans and associate professors, and some where working in the English division for over 15 years....They may be smart at what they do, but what good is that if they cant teach in English?
    There is a big difference between dictating the same lecture every day for 15 years and actually teaching. And while were on the subject, why has their English level never been assessed at any of the schools? If they expect good students, surely they should expect to lead by example?

    A lot of them do have graduates from around the world, but so what? Of course they would if they take almost 100 students per year every year for 20 years...I am sure most do eventually get though, but a very large number do not.

    Some degrees in dentistry would not be valid without further tests in the same way as their degree would not be valid in Europe, seems fair enough to me. European degrees are valid throughout Europe however.

    Those that are doing medicine or dentistry in Czech Rep. or Hungary and are still not kicked out are there cos they have to be, and most of them are having a pretty crappy time. Would anyone go out there for a weeks holiday, if it didnt involve getting drunk and loose women? Stag or hen do maybe, but 5-6 years medicine learning a slovonik language, plus Latin in the first year?! Thats desperation.

    Opportunity to further your education - maybe, opportunity to enjoy university life and practice medicine and get a job - dream on.

    Like i said, i have a place to study medicine in the UK thank god, and have done my homework, so my work here is done and have no reason to continue with this thread as i am clearly hurting some losers feelings....so i wont be reply any further, nor do i need to.

    to all the others out there that think Czech Rep, Hungary, E. Europe is a golden opportunity - do ure homework and check out what i have said above and you'll see where i am coming from...stay in the UK, do a degree first, it worked for me.

    Be particularly careful of some individuals who are on this forum a bit too regularly then normal and who claim are here to 'help' when they should get a life and get out more. Why are they so damn protective of a place, that is clearly a poophole?

    good luck.

    Carl
    Last edited by KarlosM; 07-29-2010 at 07:46 PM.

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