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    I wanted to the post the link to a seminar (on USMLE and residency in the US)that was presented to us by a 3rd faculty student 2 weeks back but there was a problem with the link. It's fixed now and you can check it out:

    'Getting a Residency in the US' PowerPoint - LF1 Student

    The doctor who presented this seminar graduated from the 3rd Faculty of Medicine and is currently doing his residency in Emergency Medicine at Brooklyn Hospital, New York.

    Also do keep in mind that the 3rd Faculty of Medicine uses a PBL approach (used in several Western European schools), so that's definitely a huge advantage when it comes to studying not only for the MLE, but also exams like PLAB, TRAS, AMC and NZREX, which follow a similar approach. So you guys should also look into this faculty should you not get into the First Fac. The only drawback is that it is not California-approved.

    We've also had a similar seminar presented to us last year by Dr. Neil Correira but unfortunately, he didn't put it on the website. Both of these doctors however, have recommended students to take Step 1 at the end of the 4th year, and Step 2 CK at the end of the 5th year (and one can do the Step 2 CS either sometime during the 5th year or the beginning of the 6th year) and then apply for electives and residency programs during 6th year. However, one can always take the Step 1 earlier - at the end of 3rd year (the only problem is that we finish Pharmacology and Immunology in the winter semester of 4th year, so you would have to study for these subjects all by yourself.) So it wouldn't be very ideal. Also the fact that we also have some clinically oriented courses that will help with Step 1 (clinically oriented Anatomy, clinical genetics, clinical biochemistry etc.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by shrey View Post
    I wanted to the post the link to a seminar (on USMLE and residency in the US)that was presented to us by a 3rd faculty student 2 weeks back but there was a problem with the link. It's fixed now and you can check it out:

    'Getting a Residency in the US' PowerPoint - LF1 Student

    The doctor who presented this seminar graduated from the 3rd Faculty of Medicine and is currently doing his residency in Emergency Medicine at Brooklyn Hospital, New York.

    Also do keep in mind that the 3rd Faculty of Medicine uses a PBL approach (used in several Western European schools), so that's definitely a huge advantage when it comes to studying not only for the MLE, but also exams like PLAB, TRAS, AMC and NZREX, which follow a similar approach. So you guys should also look into this faculty should you not get into the First Fac. The only drawback is that it is not California-approved.

    We've also had a similar seminar presented to us last year by Dr. Neil Correira but unfortunately, he didn't put it on the website. Both of these doctors however, have recommended students to take Step 1 at the end of the 4th year, and Step 2 CK at the end of the 5th year (and one can do the Step 2 CS either sometime during the 5th year or the beginning of the 6th year) and then apply for electives and residency programs during 6th year. However, one can always take the Step 1 earlier - at the end of 3rd year (the only problem is that we finish Pharmacology and Immunology in the winter semester of 4th year, so you would have to study for these subjects all by yourself.) So it wouldn't be very ideal. Also the fact that we also have some clinically oriented courses that will help with Step 1 (clinically oriented Anatomy, clinical genetics, clinical biochemistry etc.)
    I checked on the CA Board site, and it says the third faculty is approved.

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    Is it? I didn't know that. I've also recently heard that the 2nd faculty is approved (it says so on their website), but again, I'm not sure.


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    I just checked the list (Welcome to the Medical Board of California - Medical Schools Recognized by the Medical Board of California) and no it's not approved for the 2nd and 3rd faculty English programs. It should specifically mention that the English program is approved (in parenthesis.) In fact almost all schools in Europe and Russia are on the CA list but they only apply to the medical programs taught in their native language/s. Very few English programs are actually approved.
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    Also do keep in mind that the 3rd Faculty of Medicine uses a PBL approach (used in several Western European schools), so that's definitely a huge advantage when it comes to studying not only for the MLE, but also exams like PLAB, TRAS, AMC and NZREX, which follow a similar approach. So you guys should also look into this faculty should you not get into the First Fac. The only drawback is that it is not California-approved.

    We've also had a similar seminar presented to us last year by Dr. Neil Correira but unfortunately, he didn't put it on the website. Both of these doctors however, have recommended students to take Step 1 at the end of the 4th year, and Step 2 CK at the end of the 5th year (and one can do the Step 2 CS either sometime during the 5th year or the beginning of the 6th year) and then apply for electives and residency programs during 6th year. However, one can always take the Step 1 earlier - at the end of 3rd year (the only problem is that we finish Pharmacology and Immunology in the winter semester of 4th year, so you would have to study for these subjects all by yourself.) So it wouldn't be very ideal. Also the fact that we also have some clinically oriented courses that will help with Step 1 (clinically oriented Anatomy, clinical genetics, clinical biochemistry etc.)[/quote]


    But why then do most americans choose the 1st faculty?Is it because of CA approval?Whats so important about CA approval if the 3rd faculty actually prepares u a lot better for usmles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitebullet1 View Post
    But why then do most americans choose the 1st faculty?Is it because of CA approval?Whats so important about CA approval if the 3rd faculty actually prepares u a lot better for usmles?
    Can anyone answer the above question?

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    It's mainly because the First Faculty is the oldest of all the faculties and is quite "reputed" in CR and Europe. The third faculty doesn't "necessarily" prepare you for the USMLEs, it just uses a PBL approach (which is geared towards Western European residency entrance exams.


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    Note also that California approval also does not only affect California... there is a short list of other states that, to some degree or other, also follow the California list. Add to the mix that a significant percentage of the available residency spots each year are located right there in California (it's a huge state), and there's a good chunk of the answer to your question.

    In addition, I'm not sure about the availability of loans for all of the different Charles faculties. That could possibly play a role, as well. In general, it's usually far better for American students to attend a medical school with California approval and federal loan availability. (As an American who is attending a medical school with neither of those credentials, I can fervently vouch for the huge pain in the pooper that this can cause.)

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    ok, so for example, take 2 students:

    Student 1: Will graduate from 1st faculty in 2012 and intends to practice in CA.
    Student 2: Will graduate from 2nd faculty in 2012 and intends to practice in CA.

    Q1) They both MUST take the USMLE to obtain a position at a hospital in CA?

    Q2) Assuming both students receive the same score on the USMLE and apply for the same position at the same hopital in CA. Ceteris paribus, student 1 will get the job because the 1st faculty is 'CA approved' ?

    Q3) Assuming student 2 receives a better result on the USMLE than student 1. Ceteris paribus, student 2 will get the job?

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    No, that is not correct.

    1) Yes, both students would need to take the USMLE (all 3 Steps) and become ECFMG certified to train/practice anywhere in the United States, not just in California.
    2) The graduate from the 2nd Faculty can NOT train/practice in California. Period. It doesn't matter if s/he scores 30 points higher on the USMLE Steps, did a ton of excellent research, is a Mensa member, won student awards, and looks like a friggin' supermodel... s/he is not allowed to get a medical license there. That is precisely why California approval is a big deal. (The only exception to this is for doctors who work for the federal government or the military, and are allowed to practice under the auspices of their medical license from another state... but this is an exception, and it does not extend to other hospitals.)
    3) No, the second student cannot practice/train in California.

    Now, IF the English program at the other faculty were to someday be approved by the CMB, AND the CMB granted a grandfather clause to previous graduates of the English program (which is not a foregone conclusion), THEN there could be a shot. But that is a long shot at best.

    Bottom line... the lack of CMB approval means you can't work in California as a physician. Feel free to verify this with Ms. P*** at the CMB, it's pretty bloody important.
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