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    Getting Credit for College Courses

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    So I got into Charles and I have a bachelors degree from a US University. I have spoked with the Admissions office and she said that I might be able to get credit and move into the second year. Does anyone know if it is pretty easy to advance to the 2nd year with a bachelors in bio?

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    It's usually very very rare as Charles Uni. is quite strict on transfers/exemptions etc. I do have 3 Canadian friends who tried to get exemption from Biophysics when we were in the 1st year, but the prof. didn't allow it. 2 of the guys had a bachelors in Molecular Biology and Physiology and one other guy had a degree in Microbiology. These guys did get exempt from Biochemistry in the 2nd year as they already did it in college, but that was about it. They still had to take the important medical subjects in the 1st and 2nd years:
    Anatomy,
    Histology and Embryology,
    Cell Biology (although it wasn't really a major subject),
    Genetics,
    Physiology,
    Microbiology (despite the fact that the 3rd guy already had a degree, he still didn't get an exemption),
    and finally Biophysics.

    I think this is because most of the subjects in medical school are quite different in focus/detail from those taught in college.


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    licensure?

    Say, what part of Prague do you live? Curious.
    Can you tell me how you know you wiill get licensure in US with Charles diploma?
    respectfully,
    John B

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    There was a guy who used to post here, NeilC, he was a Charles grad and is board certified OBGYN practicing in Virginia., yes, Virginia of the US of A..

    You know very little on the FMG and IMG business.


    Quote Originally Posted by medical inventor View Post
    Say, what part of Prague do you live? Curious.
    Can you tell me how you know you wiill get licensure in US with Charles diploma?
    respectfully,
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    You only get licensure after getting certified by the ECFMG (which can at times be a frustrating process). It can take anywhere from 2 - 4 months. However, getting ECFMG-certified doesn't entitle you to work as you still need to do a residency and in order to get to that, you should have Step 1 and Step 2 scores in your hand. If you're an FMG, Step 3 scores will greatly help you in getting an H-1 visa, thereby making it a better option for residency board directors to recruit you (in addition to having good Step scores and US clinical experience.)


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    shrey: your account of licesure leaves a few things out

    Shrey, thanks for the reply, but I respectfully submit that my understanding of licensure is somewhat different. Here is what I was told a few days ago by a recruiter who represents fmg to state licensing boards:
    All the things you said about MLE don't matter because the licensure is controlled by the ACGME. They license only a very narrow group of schools in the Caribbean (Ross, SGU), and she said only Debrecen in Hungary. (sp) I questioned her repeatedly about eastern europe, and she said she sees none of the other schools there being licensed. According to her, you can be an Einstein of medicine, but unless you go to an anointed school, you are doing the hospital laundry, if they'll take you.

    Now, her information could be narrow to her experience or otherwise not accurate. Only a fool is didactic about the machinations of bureaucracies. But you need more solid information than "so and so posted here a few years ago and he's now a licensed doc in south dakota." Such evidence is just wishful thinking, rather than the solid assurance you need before embarking on a possible fool's errand.
    Just my opinion onion. JB

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    I'm sorry but if I were you, I would doubt this agent's credibility in the first place. We have had quite a lot of students who went to America without a problem (and yes, they were studying in the English parallel.)

    ACGME is not for medical students. It's for medical residents and fellows. ECFMG (ECFMG | Medical Education Credentials) is what deals with recognition of foreign medical diplomas. As long as your medical school is listed on FAIMER (ECFMG | Medical Education Credentials), you are eligible for ECFMG certification. I didn't say that you need your MLE scores to actually get recognized. I said that in order to apply for a residency program, you need to have both ECFMG certification, and USMLE scores in your hands (getting solely ECFMG certification is useless unless you're planning to go into some other non-medical field/medical research etc.)

    If this agent were right (which is not the case), the 4 year medical programs in Poland and Croatia that have been running for a long time now would be absolutely worthless as they cater towards Americans/Canadians college students. The best thing to do is to correspond directly to the ECFMG council rather than believing in hearsay.

    I also know a medical graduate from last year (he used to be on this forum and also has a blog) who got ECFMG certified after 2 months. So what this agent told you was nothing but B.S. (probably in a lame attempt to woo you towards a particular school.)


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    more about licensure...

    thanks for post. OK, let's talk licensure. The recruiter I talked with was in the business of representing candidates to the LICENSING boards of the states. As I understand it, the ECFMG is just an exam you take and does NOT guarrantee licensure.
    About hearsay, I totally agree it is almost worthless. Her statements were from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE dealing with licensing boards in the states. One problem with this discussion is WISHFUL THINKING on the part of fm students here, which is no substitute for ACTUAL FACTS about licensure.
    These facts would include contact info for licensed physicians and NUMBERS licensed. I do note that Ross is the oinly one that talks about number of residents, but I don't recall licensed numbers, a different fish.

    As far as certainty about this issue, I frankly don't know what the story is, bottom line. As I said, I get a lot of blather, hand-waving, argumentation, and quoting of irrelevant tests. For example, it seems that MLE, ECFMG, ACGME, FSME don't guarrantee licensure at all, it is the LICENSURE BOARDS of the states that do that. And information about their rulings comes from actual successful licensee numbers, not wishful thinking or the careful language of fm web sites.

    Am I possibly ignorant or wrong about any or all of this? sure. But to show me you have to give me FACTS, not what you WANT to be true. My anecdotal evidence from the recruiter comes from her actual EXPERIENCE with the boards. Yes, this is weaker than actual certified numbers, but bear in mind that this issue is not a simple one, and I have yet to see any solid evidence of licensure from many of these schools. I welcome discussion on this issue, but please be careful in your thinking, as we should not waste our time in mere opinionating of the sort "gee, wouldn't it be wonderful to wear a white coat..."

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    Poland and Croatia - additional post

    "4 year programs in Poland and Croatia would be totally worthless" Why do you think this is impossible? If I had a certified statement from one of these schools about licensed graduates, I would believe you. (certified = not from a word processor, vague, or hearsay.) Let me ask you a question. If the medical schools in Croatia, which have been in operation a while, are getting licensed graduates in US, why aren't they talking about it? If I were them, I'd be shouting it from the roof-tops, since their revenue comes from (gullible?) US students.

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    Here, entertain yourself contacting ALL these agencies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by medical inventor View Post
    thanks for post. OK, let's talk licensure. The recruiter I talked with was in the business of representing candidates to the LICENSING boards of the states. As I understand it, the ECFMG is just an exam you take and does NOT guarrantee licensure.
    About hearsay, I totally agree it is almost worthless. Her statements were from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE dealing with licensing boards in the states. One problem with this discussion is WISHFUL THINKING on the part of fm students here, which is no substitute for ACTUAL FACTS about licensure.
    These facts would include contact info for licensed physicians and NUMBERS licensed. I do note that Ross is the oinly one that talks about number of residents, but I don't recall licensed numbers, a different fish.

    As far as certainty about this issue, I frankly don't know what the story is, bottom line. As I said, I get a lot of blather, hand-waving, argumentation, and quoting of irrelevant tests. For example, it seems that MLE, ECFMG, ACGME, FSME don't guarrantee licensure at all, it is the LICENSURE BOARDS of the states that do that. And information about their rulings comes from actual successful licensee numbers, not wishful thinking or the careful language of fm web sites.

    Am I possibly ignorant or wrong about any or all of this? sure. But to show me you have to give me FACTS, not what you WANT to be true. My anecdotal evidence from the recruiter comes from her actual EXPERIENCE with the boards. Yes, this is weaker than actual certified numbers, but bear in mind that this issue is not a simple one, and I have yet to see any solid evidence of licensure from many of these schools. I welcome discussion on this issue, but please be careful in your thinking, as we should not waste our time in mere opinionating of the sort "gee, wouldn't it be wonderful to wear a white coat..."
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