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    MD.c, MD.o, MD - One Can dream :)

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    I can imagine a day where chiropractic schools are 4 full years, with a short residency, and graduates can specialize and practice in non-invasive medical specialties, with a full scope of practice within that specialty. MD.c (Medical Doctor of Chiropractic).

    I can also imagine a day where chiropractic dies, as insurance reimbursements get cut off, and their medical testimonies don't hold water in personal injury cases. (Unemployed).

    I just hope it's not the latter.

    I assume there is a hard lobby by the "allopaths" against this sort of thing. I know there is also internal opposition among other DC's, which is a REAL shame. They are shooting their own profession in the foot, as it slowly bleeds to death.

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    Some osteopathic physicians have lobbied (unsuccessfully) for the same type of thing, and they ALREADY are full physicians with an unlimited scope of practice. Sorry, but I don't even see this happening for DOs, and the gap between DO-MD is far-and-away smaller than the gap between DC-MD.

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    Is it necessary to have the initials "MD.c" next to your name in order to strive to raise the bar, strive for the advancement of the profession and eventually establish practitioners as the most competent in the field they specialize in?
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    DC or DCM

    DC to DCM changes and suggestions for mainstream acceptance:

    Back to an old post, the best thing to have UNIFIED position starting from NBCE, to reject the chiropractic dogma, and adopt modern scientific methods, which already started years ago, in selected few DC schools: NUHS, Western States, NYCC etc...
    Issue here is some schools are holding on, and remain straight.

    Step 1: Change Curriculum in ALL DC schools not just few (EBM schools) Define clear scope ADD ALL disciplines of Medicine.
    Step 2: Require MCAT for admission to DC programs, and Minimum of 3.0 GPA
    Step 3: Require at least 1 year of Residency in ACGME hospitals
    Step 4: Licensure and Exams to include pharmacology and surgery (minor) & all disciplines/branches of medicine
    Step 5: To enforce such changes, any straight DC that recommend or advise patients to follow "Straight" approach, i.e. against any form of accepted standards their license should be REVOKED and CE should be required, as they need to be with the times.

    Or Tier the profession to Diploma of Manual Chiropractic VS. Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine (Physicians) which I think might add to the confusion, but this solution is inevitable since we see TWO seperate schools of thought....



    Quote Originally Posted by whatbout2morrow View Post
    Is it necessary to have the initials "MD.c" next to your name in order to strive to raise the bar, strive for the advancement of the profession and eventually establish practitioners as the most competent in the field they specialize in?

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    No, it is not. But I can appreciate the idea of separation from the old ways of thinking. And a new credential would help create a new identity.

    Quote Originally Posted by whatbout2morrow View Post
    Is it necessary to have the initials "MD.c" next to your name in order to strive to raise the bar, strive for the advancement of the profession and eventually establish practitioners as the most competent in the field they specialize in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiropractic Must Change! View Post
    I can imagine a day where chiropractic schools are 4 full years, with a short residency, and graduates can specialize and practice in non-invasive medical specialties, with a full scope of practice within that specialty. MD.c (Medical Doctor of Chiropractic).

    I can also imagine a day where chiropractic dies, as insurance reimbursements get cut off, and their medical testimonies don't hold water in personal injury cases. (Unemployed).


    I just hope it's not the latter.

    I assume there is a hard lobby by the "allopaths" against this sort of thing. I know there is also internal opposition among other DC's, which is a REAL shame. They are shooting their own profession in the foot, as it slowly bleeds to death.

    maybe you can dream.....I would say most of us that choose the path of Chiropractic because we wanted to be Chiroprators not medical doctors. We are happy with our own degree. btw Chiropractic is a full four year degree after the same prerequisites as medicine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canuckdc View Post
    maybe you can dream.....I would say most of us that choose the path of Chiropractic because we wanted to be Chiroprators not medical doctors. We are happy with our own degree. btw Chiropractic is a full four year degree after the same prerequisites as medicine.
    Well, as I said, you are shooting your own profession (and my future profession) in the foot. "Straight" chiropractic holds no scientific merit. The subluxation dogma is false. Move on, or forever hold your peace.

    PS - My Chiropractic school is 3 1/3 years, with no residency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuckdc View Post
    btw Chiropractic is a full four year degree after the same prerequisites as medicine.
    Wait... chiropractic schools require the MCAT now? Plus a full year (each) of chem with lab, o-chem with lab, physics with lab, and bio with lab? Plus grades in at least the B+/A- range?

    They certainly didn't for my brother. No... I don't think that the admissions pre-reqs could honestly be construed as equivalent.

    (FWIW, that's not intended as a slam. My pops is a retired DC, my brother is a chiro student, and I have plenty of love for decent DCs.)

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    Pre-reqs & GPA

    CORRECTION
    Aside from the MCAT, NUHS and many others require the same pre-reqs as Medical schools

    FYI: My GPA was 3.65 pre DC, NUHS DC averege intake GPA is 3.35 for the years 2008-2010, I'm hoping NBCE will require the MCAT, and at least 3.0 GPA !

    Prerequisites for Admission - Chiropractic Medicine |*National University of Health Sciences

    I believe your brother is possibly attending the "weak" or straight DC schools, as far as we all know, the science based DC schools ALL require the latter, with at least 3.0 GPA.


    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    Wait... chiropractic schools require the MCAT now? Plus a full year (each) of chem with lab, o-chem with lab, physics with lab, and bio with lab? Plus grades in at least the B+/A- range?

    They certainly didn't for my brother. No... I don't think that the admissions pre-reqs could honestly be construed as equivalent.

    (FWIW, that's not intended as a slam. My pops is a retired DC, my brother is a chiro student, and I have plenty of love for decent DCs.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiropractic Must Change! View Post
    Well, as I said, you are shooting your own profession (and my future profession) in the foot. "Straight" chiropractic holds no scientific merit. The subluxation dogma is false. Move on, or forever hold your peace.

    PS - My Chiropractic school is 3 1/3 years, with no residency.
    Lucky you... about the 3 1/3 years. and speak for yourself about shooting yourself in the foot. My suggestion. talk to some mentors in the field ( I take it you have not graduated) and not just subluxation based chiropractors. There are plenty of evidence based chiros out there running very successful multidisciplinary clinics. Any you know what; maybe it’s not for you. You can always quite

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