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    Myths About Chiropractic

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    Since I am bored today and because our other discussions have grown stale, in my opinion, I have decided to make a thread looking at some of the commonly held myths about chiropractic and why they are bull pooh pooh. After all, this is a forum for prospective chiropractic students and since we have spent most of our time discussing chiropractic's pitfalls, perhaps it is wise to have a thread looking at the problems with this field that do not actually exist or no longer exist. It is important for prospective students to have a realistic depiction of this profession, and not one that is unrealistically positive or negative.

    So, here are some commonly held beliefs about chiropractic that I have found are nonsense.


    Lets start with the latest one we have discussed

    1. Chiropractors have high student loan default rates, which proves it is a risky profession to get into.


    -While it is true that chiropractors have highest student loan default rate of any first profession health care field, the actual rate is quite small, at about 1.1%. By comparison, dentists have about a 0.2% default rate, medical doctors have about a .05%, podiatrists about 0.8%, and the default rate for all student loans (health care or otherwise) was about 9% in 2009. So while it certainly is higher for chiropractors, it isn't a problem for about 99% of DC graduates and becoming a DC would lower your chances of defaulting than if you were to just stick with a bachelors.

    The Student Loan Mess: Why Chiropractic Is in Trouble

    Graph of National Student Loan Default Rates

    2. Chiropractors make much less than other health care professionals.

    -Chiropractors do make less than most medical specialists, however, the average rate of pay is nearly the same for most other health care professions.

    Here are the pay distributions for various health care professions.

    Chiropractic




    Clinical Psychologist



    Dentist



    Family Physician (MD or DO)



    Nurse Practitioner



    Physician's Assistant




    Optometrist




    Physical Therapist (DPT)



    Podiatrist



    http://swz.salary.com/docs/salwizhtmls/methodology.html


    3. Most chiropractors do not believe in vaccines.


    -Chiropractors were once anti-vaccination advocates but these days, most chiropractors believe in vaccinations. Most surveys on this subject are rather old. In 1995, about 37% of American chiropractors were opposed to vaccinations and in 2002, about 27% of Canadian chiropractors were opposed. Many chiropractors are still opposed to vaccination and the rate is too high, however, it is certainly not the majority.

    Attitudes on immunization: a survey of American ch... [J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1994 Nov-Dec] - PubMed result

    Attitudes toward vaccination: a survey of Canadian... [CMAJ. 2002] - PubMed result


    4. Only 42% of chiropractic students enter chiropractic college with a bachelorís degree.

    -A commonly used reference which shows that chiropractic students are poorly educated comes from chirobase.org, in the form of this table.



    However, many people fail to realize that this table is from 1964 (chirobase posted it in 1999 but it was created by the AMA in the early 60's). The percentage is likely far higher these days, with several chiropractic colleges now requiring bachelorís degrees for admission. The other schools require at least 3 years of undergraduate study.


    5. Chiropractic students only go to school for 18 months.

    -Early chiropractors were able to earn their DC in about a year and a half, however, all chiropractic programs since the late 1940ís have been 4 years.

    CHIROPRACTIC EDUCATION & TRAINING

    6. Chiropractors do not have residency programs.

    -While residencies in are optional in chiropractic, and although not as intensive as medical residencies, there are numerous programs in chiropractic, which lead to specialization in areas such as orthopedics, sports medicine, neurology, physical therapy, and nutrition.

    Google

    7. Chiropractic school is more expensive than med school.

    -Chiropractic school, med school, and really any other first professional program costs about $85,000 in tuition and the average debt upon leaving these schools is around $150,000. Earning a DC does not cost anymore than getting a doctorate in any other health care field.

    AMA - Medical Student Debt

    Tuition and Fees - Logan College of Chiropractic and University Programs

    New York Chiropractic College :: Financial Aid

    Chiropractic Cost of Attendance | Life University

    Financial Aid: Tuition

    http://www.nycpm.edu/tuition.pdf

    http://www.rossu.edu/medical-school/...l0910final.pdf


    8. Chiropractors are not trained in medical diagnosis.

    -16 of the 17 chiropractic schools teach medical diagnosis. The only hold out is Sherman College of Straight Chiropractic. However, some schools are considered to be better than others on this issue.


    9. There is a high risk of stroke with chiropractic manipulations.

    -It is true that patients have suffered strokes after receiving a manipulation in their cervical spine, such events are very rare, and thought to occur in about 1 out of every 1,100,000 manipulations of the neck. There are only a handful of cases where strokes have been a direct result of chiropractic manipulations.

    Coulter ID, Hurwitz EL, Adams AH, et al.
    The Appropriateness of Manipulation and Mobilization of the Cervical Spine. Santa Monica, CA; RAND; 1996.


    10. Chiropractors only know how to perform spinal manipulation.


    -Chiropractors actually learn many different treatments modalities, including physical therapy, massage, nutrition, herbalism, heat and cryotherapy, and exercise therapy.
    Some are also trained in minor surgery and can prescribe certain medications.

    D.C. Curriculum

    http://uws.edu/Academic_Programs/Doc...Curriculum.pdf

    Doctor of Chiropractic - Course List

    NUHS Prepares DCs for Limited Prescription Powers in NM

    Chiropractic Specialty Certification - Minor Surgery and/or Proctology - Oregon Licenses, Permits and Registrations

    11. Chiropractors believe they can cure conditions like cancer or diabetes with spinal manipulation.

    -Very few chiropractors today claim they can treat serious conditions with spinal manipulation and in many states, it is illegal for them to say that they can. However, many chiropractors do claim they can help with some of the symptoms of serious illnesses, such as pain management for cancer patients and nutritional advice for diabetics.

    Chiropractic Care at Cancer Treatment Centers of America (CTCA)

    This is a random chriopractor's website, however, it is based on commonly used template that chiropractors use to make their clinic's website. On the left side, there is a section "We May Help You With", which shows the conditions that most broad based chiropractors believe they can treat with manipulation or other therapies.

    Chiropractic Acupuncture Massage - Encinitas - Carlsbad - Rancho Santa Fe - Whiplash Accident :: Home


    12. Chiropractic education does not involve learning basic sciences.

    -All chiropractic colleges in the U.S. require students take the same basic sciences as most other health care programs. All chiropractic school also have fully functional physiology, biochemistry, and anatomy labs (these include dissections performed by students on all major system in the human body), and this has largely been the case for decades.

    Canadian Professors Visit Three Chiropractic Schools (1962)

    http://www.cleveland.edu/media/cms_p...58/model10.pdf

    Michael Tiso - LinkedIn

    Parker College of Chiropractic | About Parker | Parker Overview | The Facilities

    National University of Health Sciences - Graduate Guide School Details


    13. 50% of chiropractors fail out of the field in the first 5 years.

    This is a myth i have seen around the internet and finally found the source of it about 6 months ago. This "statistic" is spread by the people at chriotalk.com and is based on a poll they took of their forum members that left the field of chiropractic. It is in no way a scientific or representative poll.

    Chirotalk: The Skeptical Chiropractic Discussion Forum - Student Loan Default Rate - Not bad

    14. Chiropractors are paid much less early in their careers when compared to other health care professions.

    -The typical chiropractic associate (a newly graduated DC working for an established chiropractic practice) makes about $40,000, which isn't great. However, if you compare that to a medical doctor in the equivalent stage of their career (medical resident), the pay is roughly the same. Just about every recently graduated doctor, whether they are a chiropractor, medical doctor, podiatrist, dentist, etc, makes a fraction of what established members of their profession are making. The low starting pay is not unique to chiropractic.

    Answers.com - Medical resident salary

    What Is a Chiropractic Associate?





    Well that is all I have for now. I am sure I will think of more eventually but this should generate enough discussion in the mean time.
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    GOOD POST

    Perhaps you can re-write it and simply summarize the facts of the Chiropractic profession with supportive evidence, instead of "myths"

    For instance:

    Average DC income is 120K per year
    Evidence ?

    Current DC Professional Program requirements:
    BSc with Pre-reqs (Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Biology, Mathematics, Physics & English)
    with supporting Evidence of current requirement in top 5 colleges

    DCs conservatively treat most NMSK conditions, and no longer focus on subluxation detection & correction

    etc...


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    Well there are a few more things that I still want to discuss, such joint manipulation being useful for conditions other than low back pain and manipulation on children , but those will take more time to find sources. I also want to find more sources to back up the information I already presented. I have found some people are VERY skeptical of chiropractic. I want to attempt to make my argument as solid as possible.

    And I suppose we can also look at some of the positives of chiropractic instead of simply shooting down myths or talking about the actual problems. Perhaps a different thread for that though....

    Quote Originally Posted by UHSADOC View Post
    GOOD POST

    Perhaps you can re-write it and simply summarize the facts of the Chiropractic profession with supportive evidence, instead of "myths"

    For instance:

    Average DC income is 120K per year
    Evidence ?

    Current DC Professional Program requirements:
    BSc with Pre-reqs (Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Biology, Mathematics, Physics & English)
    with supporting Evidence of current requirement in top 5 colleges

    DCs conservatively treat most NMSK conditions, and no longer focus on subluxation detection & correction

    etc...
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    hey mods can we make this a sticky?

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    sticky ??

    Sticky ? what does it mean ?

    Quote Originally Posted by houmd View Post
    hey mods can we make this a sticky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UHSADOC View Post
    Sticky ? what does it mean ?
    It would mean that this thread would be permanently stuck at the top of the first page, even if people are no longer replying to it. It is done to make sure that threads with important information () are easy to find.

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    Chiro Myst

    lol, ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgActual View Post

    13. 50% of chiropractors fail out of the field in the first 5 years.

    This is a myth i have seen around the internet and finally found the source of it about 6 months ago. This "statistic" is spread by the people at chriotalk.com and is based on a poll they took of their forum members that left the field of chiropractic. It is in no way a scientific or representative poll.

    Chirotalk: The Skeptical Chiropractic Discussion Forum - Student Loan Default Rate - Not bad


    I actually read the whole thread on Chirotalk. I thought it was hillarious that ***** Botnick DC quotes himself in his sig. Who does that? Idk, maybe it was just me. Great post AgActual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken38 View Post
    I actually read the whole thread on Chirotalk. I thought it was hillarious that ***** Botnick DC quotes himself in his sig. Who does that? Idk, maybe it was just me. Great post AgActual.
    Yeah, if you read Botnick's story, it sounds like a man that fell flat on his face once he graduated chiropractic school and blames everyone but himself. He is the ultimate victim and his only failing was being too trusting of chiropractors. It is one of the best sob stories i have ever read. Here it is, if you haven't seen it

    Why I Quit Chiropractic


    The people at chirotalk are bitter and petty. There are numerous gems at that site, such as the discussion from a few years back where they claimed chiropractic would be dead by 2010, there was their claim that most chiropractors end up working minimum wage jobs, like flipping burgers at McDonald's, and my all time favorite, some chiropractors encourage people to engage in cannibalism.

    It is all a good read but in the end, it is clearly just a half dozen failed chiropractors out for revenge because they couldn't cut it...in chiropractic.
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    Here is more proof to show that number 11., chiropractors claiming that they can cure cancer and other serious medical conditions, isn't true.

    This is information I found on the website for one of the largest chiropractic clinic chains in the country. They typically are more on the conservative/straight side of chiropractic.

    Here is what they have to say about cancer.

    "Can chiropractic care provide any benefit to a person diagnosed with Cancer? The clinical studies have proven that yes it can. One of the main reasons why people with cancer use chiropractic therapy is to help control pain, headaches and tension. There is some scientific evidence to suggest that chiropractic may help relieve pain, especially headaches and back pain. But there is no evidence to suggest that it (chiropractic care) helps prevent, treat or cure cancer....chiropractic may improve the quality of a cancer patientís life."

    http://www.chiroone.net/commonConditions/cancer.html

    Here is what they offer in terms of diabetes

    "For more information regarding preventative measures see your local Chiro One Wellness Centers Chiropractic Physician"

    Those unethical bastards! Claiming to be able to help prevent type 2 diabetes by counseling patients on proper diet and exercise. Will the quackery never end?!

    Seriously, nothing about curing diabetes or treating it, just about prevention. Not that bad, huh?

    Common Conditions - Chiro One Wellness Centers


    While they certainly are off base on some issues, such as claiming to help boost people's immune systems to help prevent colds or the flu (in fact joint manipulations have been shown to temporary suppress immune system activity, so using them as an immune system boost is probably a bad idea) the idea that most chiropractors claim to be able to cure serious medical conditions is unsubstantiated here in the 21st century. Most of the time, what you will probably see are chiropractors saying that they can help with some scientifically demonstrated symptom management and prevention of serious medical conditions, which is seems to be quite a useful service, in my opinion.

    May be chiropractors aren't as evil/incompetent as some people might claim?
    Last edited by AgActual; 01-03-2011 at 11:44 PM.

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