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    Advance Practice DC MSc (ACP) an Alternative to DCM

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    MSc (ACP) a new alternative to the DCM Degree:

    Chiropractic Headed to Assimilation By Medicine

    Funny enough much of the opposition is from DCs not Allopathic MDs

    Chiropractic as a separate and distinct profession is about to be lost forever. The ACA and the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners are working on plans to create certification for an “expanded practice chiropractic physician” that apparently includes prescribing and administering drugs.

    It is a 2 Year MSc (Advance Clinical Practice) Program at NUHS, that will allow current DC an Expanded scope, similar to DO, Primary Care Physician.

    The trial run in New Mexico was a success and now it appears it is full steam ahead for the rest of the country.
    The New Mexico Chiropractic Association and the New Mexico Board of Chiropractic Examiners in concert with the New Mexico Medical Board and the New Mexico Board of Pharmacy recently agreed to and passed legislation in New Mexico creating a new class of chiropractor called “Advanced Practice Chiropractic Physician”.

    New Mexico Advanced Practice, Chiropractic and the National Associations - Texas Journal of Chiropractic

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    Although that article is almost a year old I can certainly see this as a possibility for DC's. Unfortunately most people (public and professional) don't know what a DC is or what their scope of education is. Unfortunately this leads to both good and bad things for both. Chiropractic probably doesn't have much of a future unless they change their ways and get rid of the old practices and the mixers that were deemed by the AMA as an "unscientific cult" The new era chiropractors are the ones we will see assimilate or else this profession is dead.

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    DC, MSc (ACP) option for Evidence Based DCs !!

    DC, MSc (ACP) option for Evidence Based DCs !!

    NUHS: MSc in Advance Clinical Practice
    Continuing Education

    I agree 100%, I think this MSc (ACP) program at least will at least enhance collaboration between evidence based DCs and MD/DOs....

    In addition, I belive later on, DCs that pursue such program, can make the case for enhanced scope, if Advanced training in Pharmacology, Clinical Medicine is available to them...


    Quote Originally Posted by houmd View Post
    Although that article is almost a year old I can certainly see this as a possibility for DC's. Unfortunately most people (public and professional) don't know what a DC is or what their scope of education is. Unfortunately this leads to both good and bad things for both. Chiropractic probably doesn't have much of a future unless they change their ways and get rid of the old practices and the mixers that were deemed by the AMA as an "unscientific cult" The new era chiropractors are the ones we will see assimilate or else this profession is dead.

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    MSc(ACP) in NM

    Apparently NM is a go for the NUHS, MSc Program for DC, and DCs will have an expanded scope of practice......
    Now shortly other states will follow, similar path: CA and others...

    My suggestions: DCs interested in becoming DCMs or advance practitioners, to complete the program.....I've reviewed the program, it is a 2 year hybrid of class & online MSc program, similar to the one NPs get as advance practitioners. (Enhanced Class Category.)...

    Reasons:
    1. More insurance acceptance and coverage
    2. Enhanced scope as Primary Care
    3. More marketable, for DO/MDs interested in hiring DCs into their practices
    4. You are NO longer "Manual Therapist" or "Straight" Chiropractor
    5. DDx & Rx will replace the old lingo of "Adjustments" & "Subluxations"
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    So I guess prospective students will consider US MD, US DO or US DC/cRX schools before foreign MD schools?

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    A Good Start

    Another way of making the Chiros independent primary care physicians with expanded scope of practice is to offer a three year residency to chiro grads who are interested in GP medical program. This can be done through the Chiro schools and hospital affiliations--- Similar to the DO only residency programs. I think some slight adjustment in the DC curriculum may be necessary at the undergraduate level by incorporating clinical rotations in internal and family medicine, peds, and women' health.

    The graduates of these programs should be limited to practicing as GPs with the added training in chiro manipulative techniques. This is different than the DO's in that these chiros are specifically being trained as GP/chiro physicians. No other medical specialty training would be open to the chiros under this training track.

    To me this makes more sense and is a lot cheaper than starting new medical schools and spending a fortune. If a nurse with more limited training is able to act as a medical primary care provider(FNP), I don't see why chiro education would be consider substandard for these purposes. The degree for students coming out of these program would be a DCM.

    This plan of course would not prevent the hardcore types from training and becoming/remaining traditional chiros. This would simply be an additional training track--something like people wanting to train in PBL v the traditional format.
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    And Why Not?

    Quote Originally Posted by leadsled View Post
    So I guess prospective students will consider US MD, US DO or US DC/cRX schools before foreign MD schools?
    I would rather see students stay home and spend those funds in their own backyards. Why spend your money in a foreign economy when you can do so stimulating your own local economy. The money we spend in the Caribbeans is going to the pockets of sharks who own these schools and the rest is paying for your all too caring Caribbean landlord's mortgage.

    The US see no economic benefits from the investment of these funds. Yes, I do vote for alternative opportunities right here at home where the economic investment would actually help not only you but also your town and your neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crane View Post
    I would rather see students stay home and spend those funds in their own backyards. Why spend your money in a foreign economy when you can do so stimulating your own local economy. The money we spend in the Caribbeans is going to the pockets of sharks who own these schools and the rest is paying for your all too caring Caribbean landlord's mortgage.

    The US see no economic benefits from the investment of these funds. Yes, I do vote for alternative opportunities right here at home where the economic investment would actually help not only you but also your town and your neighbors.

    I am just waiting to see when a back cracking add on course is developed for MD, DO, NP and PA's. For that matter, we might as well let Pharmacists and Psychologists get prescribing privileges as well! It's out of control!
    Last edited by leadsled; 09-03-2010 at 02:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadsled View Post
    I am just waiting to see when a back cracking add on course is developed for MD, DO, NP and PA's. For that matter, we might as well let Pharmacists and Psychologists get prescribing privileges as well! It's out of control!
    The pharmacist know more about drugs and drug interaction than any MD around. In fact, they check the MD's prescriptions before dispensing. The chiro colleges have better facilities and instructors than any Caribbean medical school. The medical profession is full of*****. They make fun of DOs and yet those guys are every bit as good as the MDs and are found in all medical specialties. As for back cracking courses? What do you think a DO is? They have courses in manipulations similar to the Chiros. Why don't you educate yourself before espousing nonsense about things you know nothing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crane View Post
    The pharmacist know more about drugs and drug interaction than any MD around. In fact, they check the MD's prescriptions before dispensing. The chiro colleges have better facilities and instructors than any Caribbean medical school. The medical profession is full of*****. They make fun of DOs and yet those guys are every bit as good as the MDs and are found in all medical specialties. As for back cracking courses? What do you think a DO is? They have courses in manipulations similar to the Chiros. Why don't you educate yourself before espousing nonsense about things you know nothing about.
    Its called sarcasm. Have a nice day!
    Last edited by leadsled; 09-03-2010 at 03:51 PM.

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